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A horde of enormous monsters advanced forward. They were grotesque-looking apes, covered in scales with countless tentacles emerging from their necks instead of heads.
Heinz, whose Attribute Values had been enhanced through Heroic Spirit Descent, slashed through one of them with a Radiant God Swordsmanship martial skill.
“Evil-destroying Radiant True Strike!”
The monster’s body was split cleanly into two pieces, sending purple blood spraying into the air. But the other apes continued closing in, unperturbed by the death of their kin.
Another of the apes let out a roar that was unintelligible to humans, and swung both of its abnormally long arms down at Heinz.
“Heinz, don’t concern yourself with the small fry! Hundred Roaring Shining Fists!” shouted Jennifer, unleashing a series of fist-blows that pierced the ape’s hard scales.
“Jennifer’s right, you need to finish off that evil god! My knife and bow don’t have enough power to take him down!” said Edgar, looking up at the enormous, grotesque-looking Elder Dragon that was flying in the sky above them.
The Elder Dragon, the boss of this floor, had the overall shape of a hand, with five one-eyed heads.
“Alright!” Heinz told his companions.
“I shall support you,” said Diana, and then she offered a prayer to Mill, the goddess of slumber. “My goddess Mill, suppress the power of slumber… Full Ability Awakening!” she chanted, casting an enchantment on Heinz that awakened the power that was sleeping inside him.
Perhaps becoming aware of this, the evil god’s five eyes were filled with killing intent and it opened its mouths, pointing their fangs towards Heinz. An evil light, different from the blue light used by Heinz, ignited in the evil god’s throats and expanded in an instant.
But Delizah forcibly drew the evil god’s killing intent towards herself with a Flaming Light Shield Technique martial skill. “Super Provocation!” she cried.
The projectiles of light unleashed from the evil god’s five pairs of jaws were all aimed at the small Dwarf woman. Each of these projectiles contained enough power to annihilate a modern fortress without leaving a single piece of rubble behind, and they closed in on Delizah with a speed that would make them impossible for her to avoid.
But Delizah raised her Orichalcum shield and doubled both its defensive power and magical resistance with her martial skills. “Radiant Steel Wall, Radiant Steel Form!” she shouted, withstanding the evil god’s attacks and holding her ground.
This seemed to infuriate the evil god; even though the effects of Super Provocation had worn off, it tried to release projectiles of light in Delizah’s direction once more.
But its attention was too focused on Delizah. Heinz, using a Magic Item to climb into the sky, raised his sword.
“Transcend Limits, Transcend Limits: Holy Sword… Luminous Slash!” he shouted, cutting the evil god in two.
The evil god shrieked and struggled in vain with its four uninjured heads, but in the end, every single head was slashed off its neck by Heinz’s blade.
After defeating the grotesque, giant apes that had appeared with the evil god, Heinz and the rest of the Five-colored Blades treated their injuries. Now, they were sitting on the stairs to the fiftieth floor, having a meal.
“So, that was the 49th floor. Considering what the heroic spirits were saying, I still can’t see the end being anywhere near,” said Heinz.
“You’re right. In fact, it was as if the real challenge is only just about to start,” said Edgar.
In this Dungeon, they were returned unharmed to a safe ‘town’ whenever they died, but during their runs, they had to treat their injuries and recover from their fatigue on their own. The most efficient way might have been to simply kill themselves and return to the ‘town’ after clearing a floor, but… none of them actually did it.
Even if they knew they were not really dying, the pain that they felt was real, and if they became too accustomed to this abnormal situation, there was no guarantee that their senses would return to normal when they left the Dungeon.
In any case, this was a trial given to them by a god, designed to make them surpass the champion Bellwood. Using such a cunning method would go against the expectations of the god who had given them the trial.
“Joshua was kind of like, ‘You’ve got a long way to go.’ What about the rest of you?” Heinz asked.
“Gorsh was similar,” said Jennifer.
“I think Firlietta was the same,” said Diana.
They were talking about the heroic spirits, who descended upon them through the Heroic Spirit Descent Skill that they had gained. It seemed that the heroic spirits standing in their way on the 30th floor was a trial for that purpose.
As the heroic spirits were former humans, they had a more powerful consciousness than many familiar spirits. Thus, when Heinz and his companions used Heroic Spirit Descent, they could feel the heroic spirits’ wills.
It wasn’t enough to have a conversation, but enough to have a vague idea of what the heroic spirits felt… Incidentally, spirit clones of gods possessed more power than heroic spirits, and in cases when they descended upon a human, the human would not be able to completely understand the will of the god’s spirit clone. Unless the human had incredible compatibility with the god, they would not understand anything at all.
“That bastard Luke… I feel like he was snorting at me,” said Edgar.
“I wonder why that heroic spirit even responds to you activating the Skill,” said Delizah.
“They’re probably deliberately being harsh on us to push us harder. After all, it doesn’t seem like this Dungeon is going to end at the next floor,” said Heinz.
The party had tried to estimate how far through this Dungeon the current floor was, but they had arrived at the conclusion that they were still far from the final floor.
In fact, the floors they had been clearing recently all felt easier than the 30th floor where they had fought the heroic spirits… though this might have been because the heroic spirits were abnormally powerful, making them more formidable opponents than the powerful monsters led by evil gods.
“But I think we’re about halfway through,” said Delizah, running a finger along a scratch on her Orichalcum shield. “After we fought the heroic spirits on the 30th floor and acquired Heroic Spirit Descent, we’ve only been fighting against monsters that have almost no information documented in the archives of the Mages’ Guild and Church. I think they’re monsters created directly by the Demon King Guduranis and the evil gods that were his subordinates.”
“You’re probably right,” said Edgar. “After all, I have no idea how the giant tentacle-apes we defeated just now were even alive. I tried to tear up their organs with my martial skill, but there was only muscle inside their abdomens, you know? It’s like the evil gods are trying to make a bad pun, saying “there are no organs.”
TLN: “There are no organs” is a pun that doesn’t translate to English at all. The word for “organs” is 内臓/naizou, and the sentence is also ended with “naizou” so the sentence is “naizou ga naizou.” Yes, it’s a Japanese dad joke.
Indeed, monsters were creatures too. They could undergo extreme physical changes by increasing their Rank and possess peculiar abilities from birth, but they were no different from other organisms in the fact that they had to eat to nourish themselves and reproduce to produce offspring and preserve their own species.
However, these monsters didn’t possess the organs for these things.
“It is said that in the age of the gods, the evil gods frequently created monsters that had more power in exchange for being unable to do anything but fight, in order to combat the powerful champions,” said Diana. “It is written that most of them were defeated by the champions and their followers, but the few surviving monsters could not even survive for long after their creation, let alone leave offspring behind, so after the war against the Demon King, all that was left of them were the memories inside the minds of the gods.”
These monsters had only appeared during the war; no official names had been given to them and no research into them had been conducted. They were merely creatures that had come into and disappeared from existence according to the needs of the evil gods that created them.
“… Even though I know the ones we just fought were illusions rather than the real thing, I feel pity for them. And we know what a grave sin it is to create and play with life at your own whim, even if they are monsters,” said Heinz. “… I wonder if Bellwood noticed this and was bothered by it as well? Perhaps Alda wanted to teach that to us?”
“Heinz, you’re going off-topic. What Delizah and Edgar are trying to say is that we’re facing evil gods and monsters from the age of the gods, so maybe we’ve made it quite deep into the Dungeon,” said Jennifer. “Right?” she added, looking at Delizah and Edgar, who nodded.
“Well, Bellwood and the other champions apparently defeated those monsters like… D-class adventurers hunting Kobolds, and even defeated the weaker evil gods without a problem,” said Delizah. “Still, I’d like to think that we’ve at least made it about halfway through.”
“Yeah. We could make a guess if we knew what kind of evil god that was, but… Diana, do you have any idea?” Edgar asked.
“Unfortunately, that evil god is not in my knowledge. It did not name itself either, after all,” said Diana.
She did not know of any Elder Dragon evil god with five one-eyed heads… Fidirg, the dragon god of five sins.
“There were apparently several evil gods serving the Demon King whose existence was deliberately left unrecorded. If their names were left behind, the people would fear them and that fear would become power for them,” said Diana. “However, I have heard that most of those gods were those that were weak.”
“It doesn’t seem likely that the evil god we faced was an exception, and actually a high-ranking god,” said Edgar.
“Of course not. If we could defeat a high-ranking evil god like that without sustaining a lot of injuries, we’d have been able to go into the deeper floors more quickly,” said Jennifer.
“You’re right,” Edgar sighed.
All of their faces relaxed a little. They were aware that they were becoming stronger.
This Dungeon was an environment in which they faced numerous enemies that needed them to use all of their strength to defeat, the likes of which they now almost never encountered outside the Dungeon.
Even among people who possessed the Familiar Spirit Descent Skill, only one in a thousand could acquire the superior version, Heroic Spirit Descent. Heinz’s companions had acquired this Skill on the 30th floor.
They had also changed Jobs twice more after clearing the 30th floor.
As they were now, Heinz believed that they could have conquered the Trial of Zakkart. However, he still could not fathom the intentions of the god who had created this Dungeon.
Does he want to turn us into warriors who could even face the Demon King? I’ve heard rumors that the Demon King has been resurrected, but… even if that’s true, why would he go as far as to create this Dungeon and make it appear before us? And it said ‘Bellwood’s successor.’
No matter how much Heinz thought about it, he couldn’t think of an answer. Knowing that the answer would be past these stairs, Heinz and his companions finished their rest and proceeded to the 50th floor.
“This is… a reproduction of some kind of underground temple or ruins?” Heinz murmured.
He and his party were standing in a dim space filled with rows of thick stone pillars that continued as far as the eye could see. The floors up until now had often contained large monsters, so most of them had been outdoors environments. They were slightly perplexed by this sudden change.
Their bewilderment grew as three silhouettes appeared from the shadows of the pillars. With the exception of the heroic spirits, they had mainly been fighting very much non-humanoid enemies up until now. On top of that, the silhouettes didn’t look powerful at all.
But the silhouettes drew closer, and the moment they were clearly visible, Heinz and his companions’ bewilderment turned into vigilance.
“Oi, isn’t that her?! The one we finished off, the Pure-breed Vampire Ternecia!” shouted Edgar.
There was an evil-looking woman with an abundance of sex appeal, her plump figure dressed in clothing with numerous slits. It was the Pure-breed Vampire Ternecia, approaching Heinz and his companions mercilessly, as if she had left her hysterical personality behind.
“Then is the one next to her Gubamon? He matches the recorded description perfectly, an old man with large eyes, thin as a withered tree,” said Delizah.
“But according to the rumors, he was defeated by someone. Though this is surely not the real Gubamon,” said Diana.
The old man they were looking at… The Pure-breed Vampire Gubamon, didn’t answer them either. It was as if he were an elaborately-crafted mannequin.
“Then this brat is the last Pure-breed Vampire that worships Hihiryushukaka, Birkyne… or not. I vaguely recognize him,” said Edgar.
The last of the silhouettes was the smallest.
A lifeless-looking Dhampir boy with white hair, empty odd-colored eyes and wax-like skin.
“Vandalieu… Why are you in this Dungeon?” Heinz whispered, despite knowing that like the monsters and evil gods that had appeared before, this Vandalieu was not real.
He and his companions had only met him once, in the city of Niarki, but they had never forgotten him.
“Demon King’s horns, activate.”
“Demon King’s carapace, activate.”
“Demon King’s blood and horns, activate.”
This was the response from Vandalieu and the Pure-breed Vampires.
Curatos, the god of records, was the one who was largely in charge of managing and running the Dungeon that the Five-colored Blades were currently inside. The book he held was his symbol and also his divine authority, and he had it open as he watched Heinz and his companions.
“The Pure-breed Vampire Ternecia, recreated from the records of Heinz and his companions themselves, and the Pure-breed Gubamon and the Vandalieu from back then, recreated from the records of the Liberating Princess Knight before she fell into darkness,” said Alda, joining Curatos.
“Yes. The Pure-breed Vampires would no longer be a worthy foe to Heinz and his four companions if they faced them one by one… I made them appear on the same floor to emphasize how much of an anomaly Vandalieu is,” said Curatos. “Of course, the Vandalieu that I have recreated will fight even more harshly than the real Vandalieu from back then, so Heinz and his companions should not be able to defeat him so easily.”
The Vandalieu and the Pure-breed Vampires recreated by Curatos did not possess their original personalities. Unlike the heroic spirits, they had not descended upon the Dungeon directly, so they were little more than puppets in the end.
However, because of that, the recreated copy did not have the naivety that the real Vandalieu had. It would not hold back in consideration of the allies that fought alongside it, and it would likely utilize poison and disease-creating spells that the real Vandalieu had not used back then.
Of course, Dead Spirit Magic had been recreated as well.
“Are you not going to recreate the other Pure-breed Vampire, Birkyne?” Alda asked. “If I recall, there should be records of him, even if they are from the very distant past.”
“He is still alive,” said Curatos. “If I recreated him based on information from ancient records, and he was considerably weaker than his present self, Heinz and his companions might make incorrect assumptions about him if they were to encounter the real one. Thus, I have left him out.”
“I see… Your divine authority is a thing to behold,” Alda said in praise. “Without you, stimulating the development of Heinz and his companions using this Dungeon would not have gone so well.”
“No, my lord,” said Curatos, shaking his head. “This divine authority is only able to create these elaborate illusions inside a special Dungeon such as this. It served no purpose during the battle in the age of the gods, and it will serve no purpose in the approaching war against the new Demon King. I am merely making as much effort as I can while I may still be of use.”
There were no Churches for Curatos himself; there were no specific believers of the god of records. He had recorded a great deal of knowledge since the age of the gods, but he did not possess a single authority related to combat.
He knew with certainty that his power had no place to be used other than here.
“After this, I shall have them fight against monsters and evil gods of the Demon King’s army once more from the 51st floor, and then from the 60th floor, their enemies will mostly be Vandalieu’s servants. I will place the Vandalieu that defeated the ‘Five-headed Snake’ Ervine on the 65th floor. From the 66th floor onwards, it will be the Demon King’s army from the age of the gods, Vida’s faction as well as the Storm of Tyranny and Randolf ‘the True.’
“… We decided that nothing could be too difficult, after all,” said Alda.
Curatos was forcing Heinz and his companions to face the ones that they would have to face once they left this Dungeon. The Storm of Tyranny, who were secretly believers of Vida, were a particularly large threat; it was possible that they would become an even larger threat than Vandalieu himself.
Unlike Vandalieu, who utilized Undead and grotesque monsters, the Storm of Tyranny were proper adventurers other than the fact that their actions were unprecedented.
Those unprecedented actions… passing immediate judgment on corrupt merchants and nobles that were incompetent politicians, were supported by the general public.
Even if it became public that they were believers of Vida and there was a Pure-breed Vampire and a Dark Elf among them, there would be those who would not stop supporting them.
It wasn’t as if every single human living in lands controlled by the Amid Empire was a fanatical Alda believer, after all.
Randolf ‘the True’ wasn’t a believer of Vida by any means, but… he was a man who took unpredictable courses of action when incidents occurred. In the past, he had been a promising young man, but he was now a shadow of his former self.
The gods watching over the area surrounding the Dungeon that Heinz and his companions were inside had once given a report that Randolf had appeared nearby, but he had apparently simply looked at the Dungeon from afar before disappearing once more.
The current Randolf was likely a withered version of his former self. As long as he could not be counted upon to fight, Alda would have Heinz and his companions face him along with Schneider.
And considering Vandalieu’s development so far… Considering his abnormality, Alda needed Heinz and his companions to become powerful enough to defeat Randolf ‘the True,’ the Storm of Tyranny and a Vandalieu recreated from the latest records.
“More importantly, what about the other hero candidates? I am worried about them, as they are not able to complete trials like Heinz and his companions,” said Curatos.
Zaress, the god of soldiers who had converted to Alda’s faction, among other gods that were a part of Alda’s forces, had chosen and given their divine protections to a number of heroes. These heroes would become fighting forces to face Vandalieu alongside Heinz and his companions in the future.
However, there were so many of them that they could not be given trials in special Dungeons like Heinz and his companions. Alda was a great god, but there were limits to his power.
“It seems that things are largely proceeding smoothly,” said Alda. “By the time the coming battle is upon us, many of them will possess strength worthy of heroes… though the hero of Zaress, the god of soldiers, is a little behind,” he added.
“The youngster who sealed away a rampaging fragment of the Demon King? In a way, that was rather unfortunate,” said Curatos.
If that soldier had simply died, Zaress would have dispatched his spirit clone and his Artifact directly. The soldier had the right properties, but he was still just an average soldier in terms of ability, inferior even to a D-class adventurer. Thus, he had been unable to withstand Zaress’s spirit clone descending upon him, suffering muscle pain in his entire body and stress fractures in a dozen or so places.
Of course, Zaress himself, having forcibly used this soldier, had spent more power than he had intended to.
It seemed that the soldier had regained consciousness after several days, but his development was considerably behind that of the other hero candidates.
“But it was a far better outcome than losing him. We have almost no time to search for other hero candidates, after all,” said Curatos. “Have there been any changes inside the Boundary Mountain Range?” he asked.
“I have heard that there are not. However, it seems that it is true that Vida has been resurrected,” said Alda.
There was a barrier covering the inside of the Boundary Mountain Range, so Alda and the other gods could only look upon it from afar. The eyes of gods could see things on the world’s surface in detail even from above the clouds, but the barrier almost prevented them from seeing anything at all.
… Weaker familiar spirits and even heroic spirits insisted that their minds were abnormally affected when they spent long periods of time gazing at Talosheim, so even that was of no use.
However, Alda’s forces did know the details of events inside the Boundary Mountain Region.
“There are several believers of Vida in the Orbaume Kingdom and outside the continent who have received Vida’s divine protection. Among them, some of them have received Divine Messages. Some of them are frauds, but not all,” said Alda.
“So, when your blood was spilled that time, it was the effect of the divine authority that punished Vida being destroyed,” said Curatos.
“It is a difficult situation to acknowledge, but it seems that she is recovering her power after being released… recovering it far too quickly,” Alda murmured.
After being wounded and weakened by Bellwood and Alda himself, Vida was impaled by numerous Stakes of Law, Alda’s divine authority. On top of that, believers of Vida had been reduced to only small groups within human societies. Even if the divine authority was destroyed, Vida should have required at least a hundred years to regain enough power to grant individuals divine protections, unless she were to draw souls to herself before they were reincarnated and bestow her own flesh and blood upon them.
However, though it was only for a few individuals, Vida had granted her divine protection upon people after less than ten years. She was likely taking reckless actions like telling her believers of her own revival and trying to restore her religion once more, but according to Alda’s plans, she shouldn’t have even been able to do any of this.
“It is likely Vandalieu. He has united Vida’s races within the Boundary Mountain Range and even made the monsters and Undead he has created worship Vida, which becomes her power,” said Alda.
“To think that one of the glorious great gods… has now become accomplices with wicked evil gods,” Curatos muttered, looking down miserably. “Could it be that he has corrupted her?” he asked, not expecting an answer.
“I do not know,” said Alda, knowing that the ‘he’ that Curatos referred to was… Zakkart, the champion chosen by Vida. “As your records show, he always possessed eccentric ideas, but he was never evil. In fact, he often strived to preserve peace between his companions, but… he began to conflict with Bellwood and became more unable to restrain himself from doing so. I thought that Vida went insane from the moment that he was lost, but now that I think upon it, perhaps she had been deceived by Zakkart from the beginning.”
It was a dreadful scenario to think about. It was unclear as to whether Zakkart himself had done it intentionally, but he was a mere human who had skillfully deceived many gods, including Vida, in a way that was so secret that even Curatos possessed no records of it.
As Alda and Curatos were pondering this, a familiar spirit appeared.
“My lord, there has been a report regarding movements inside the Boundary Mountain Range,” the familiar spirit said, giving a bow. “There are monsters that have never been seen before stationed in Talosheim. There also seems to have been a large-scale celebration. In addition to the grotesque monsters patrolling the city’s surroundings, the members of Vida’s races and repulsive Undead are making noise and throwing something into the air.”
Even though the barrier covering the Boundary Mountain Range was to blame, Alda frowned at the lack of clarity in the information that had been presented to him as he brought his thoughts back to the present.
“It is not a ceremony for an army’s departure, is it?” he asked.
“Though we cannot be certain, that is unlikely,” the familiar spirit replied. “There have been no signs of anything like an army being formed.”
“Curatos, is today Vida’s festival day?” Alda asked.
“… No, there should be no special occasions on this day,” said Curatos. “However, I do not possess any records from after Vida’s races escaped into the Boundary Mountain Range, so it is possible that some new festival day has been created.”
This sounded plausible, and Alda was almost satisfied by Curatos’s explanation. Festival days were important events for gods. They were essential for maintaining religions that did not change from day to day.
However, Alda suddenly realized something. “… Something was thrown into the air? Explain to me what that was, in detail,” he ordered the familiar spirit.
Performances in Lambda’s festivals often included using magic to scatter flower petals in the wind or decorate building walls and the night sky with colored light. Firing spells that produced loud sounds towards the sky was another popular celebratory method. However, the familiar spirit had referred to these mundane things merely as ‘something.’
The familiar spirit didn’t seem to understand the significance of this, either. “That is… they threw spherical objects about the size of human heads. They appeared to be Magic Items that explode with a loud noise and scatter unusually-colored flames into the night sky. We are observing from outside the barrier, so we cannot say what exactly they are, however,” the familiar spirit explained. “However, there are some who have previously observed several humans testing the explosive power of these spheres; I believe these are the same spheres.”
“It seems that they are using Magic Items created as weapons in a festival performance, Alda,” Curatos said, summarizing the familiar spirit’s explanation.
But the familiar spirit’s words had ignited an old memory inside Alda’s mind.
“It cannot be… Fireworks,” Alda muttered. “Are you saying that they contain gunpowder?”
Curatos was aghast.
“Fireworks? My lord, what are fireworks –?” the familiar spirit began to ask.
“I forbid you to speak of anything that you have just heard! Leave! Leave, immediately!” Curatos ordered the familiar spirit.
“As you will!” the familiar spirit shouted hastily, and then he vanished.
Once he was sure the familiar spirit was gone, Curatos turned to Alda. “My lord Alda, carelessly speaking words that must not be spoken is most unlike you,” he said. “Could it be that Vandalieu has even created gunpowder… The thing that Bellwood described as the most terrible invention?”
Most technology from foreign worlds was denied by Alda and Bellwood’s teachings. That was a rule that was in place in order to ensure that Lambda had the space to develop its own culture and civilization, but there were also some technologies that were designated as forbidden in order to protect the world itself.
In Bellwood’s world, steam engines had destroyed forests and polluted the atmosphere. Fossil fuels had polluted the atmosphere and ocean, and had even become a resource that wars were fought over. But the most terrible invention, gunpowder, had given birth to countless weapons that had taken countless lives.
Unlike the nuclear weapon that the champion Zakkart had tried to recreate, these weapons could be mass-produced even without the special powers of a champion as long as one possessed the knowledge of how to create them. Thus, this was considered a dangerous technology.
“However, even Vandalieu is a being who was born in this world. Is it not impossible to create gunpowder from nothing? No, it is possible that inside the Trial of Zakkart… Gufadgarn, who protected Zakkart’s relics, could have preserved it. It is possible that Vandalieu saw it and recreated it from that,” said Curatos.
But another fearsome possibility occurred to Alda.
Vandalieu had accomplished incredible feats, possessed astounding ideas, wielded a power that no others had, and was a Guider who knew of technology from foreign worlds. Based on all of this, there was only one possible conclusion.
“Could it be that Vandalieu is a being who has been summoned here from another world?” Alda murmured.
If this was true, if Vandalieu was the same as Bellwood and the other champions, that would explain his abnormality.
“That cannot be true, Alda!” Curatos shouted, unsettled. “It has been recorded that he was born in this world as a Dhampir! Unless he was reincarnated here… No, that cannot be. Rodcorte himself was so infuriated by our summoning of the champions from a foreign world; there is no way that he would do such a thing without consulting us at all…!”
However, Curatos and Alda both knew that Rodcorte could have done this.
It was true that Rodcorte had been against the summoning of the champions. However, the reason for that was that the summoned champions had been inhabitants of a world that his circle of transmigration system did not manage. He did not oppose the summoning of inhabitants from other worlds entirely.
Wouldn’t Rodcorte have no qualms with reincarnating souls from another world within his own circle of transmigration system into Lambda, most likely with their previous memories and knowledge intact?
“I do not want to believe it, but… Curatos, keep this matter only between you and myself. Do not cause a fuss, and do not make any hasty moves,” said Alda.
“Understood, my lord,” said Curatos.
This was merely a suspicion, and there was no proof. However, if this suspicion turned out to be true, then Alda could not trust a single child in this world.
“So, Rodcorte has sent reincarnated individuals into this world. And he is either planning something using Vandalieu, or he has been unable to completely control him,” said Alda. “We must first confirm what is true and what is not.”
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Korath
Lol, took them long enough to figure this out. 😀 I guess if they knew the backstory of Van and what Roc did to him like sending him into a torture experimentation lab, even the super racist Nazis lambda faction would sympathize with MC. 🙂
Akachi86
“Perhaps she had been deceived by Zakkart from the beginning.”
Said the guy who tearfully mas**rbates to his beloved boytoy, Bellwood, who infected him with his moronic ideology, which was based on nothing more than empty platitudes and middle school level philosophy.
Naberisu
In the world of Lambda guns can’t be relied upon to fight monsters or strong individuals, howerver it’s more than enough to kill civilians, the technology for guns is unnecessary.
The same with steam engines and fossil fuel in general, Lambda has MAGIC, they can fuel machines with it and cause almost no pollution.
Ronin
That wouldn’t work. Magic as a fuel would be too inefficient unless you had an abundant source of it. Remember it was said before even first class mages barely had over 10,000 mana. That would by no means be enough to power a steam engine for long periods of time. You would been a strong magic stone from at least a rank 12+ monster. Even then at some point it would run out and need recharging. There’s not enough mages to keep a society like that going. You would at best need to live in the boundary area or a devil’s nest were mana is abundant to try and keep constant power going.
Winter
“It was unclear as to whether Zakkart himself had done it intentionally, but he was a mere human who had skillfully deceived many gods, including Vida, in a way that was so secret that even Curatos possessed no records of it.”
Yeah, I can see that Curatos has no records of the secrets of common sense and compassion, because he was to busy recording Bellwood’s and Alda’s righteous genocides and betrayals.
Sailon
“To think that one of the glorious great gods… has now become accomplices with wicked evil gods,”
Ok so the gods of records simple forget that many evil gods work with them to defeat Guduranis so technically all gods including Alda are once accomplices of evil gods.
Sailon
“… Even though I know the ones we just fought were illusions rather than the real thing, I feel pity for them. And we know what a grave sin it is to create and play with life at your own whim, even if they are monsters,” said Heinz. “… I wonder if Bellwood noticed this and was bothered by it as well? Perhaps Alda wanted to teach that to us?”
So whe are gone ignore that all life is created by gods whim including Alda Humand are created in combination of all hods, dwarves and elves combinqtion of two gods, and also forget that trought his own whim Alda commited genocide agaist sentient races, if this is not play with life what is?
Alke
Aldidiot, the only stupid idiotic god who has been manipulated by his own champion is YOU. 😒😒🙄🙄😒😒. Don’t make useless projections to mask your own failures 😒😤😤shameless b*stard! Does he really think he did a great job just by not allowing pple to use gunpowder to not pollute the environment?!?! And the entire continent that turned into devil nests?!?! Is that not the PERFECT image of a polluted environment that can’t sustain normal life, full of poison, monsters and flames?!?! And now you make the word fireworks a “secret d’état” like a childish conspirator 😒😒”my name is Alda and I was amish, but I changed to be the leader of the hitlerian new nazies forces” “Heil Alda”
Hmmmm
”I thought that Vida went insane from the moment that he was lost, but now that I think upon it, perhaps she had been deceived by Zakkart from the beginning.”
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This is rich coming from the one who blindly follows Bellwood’s teachings to this day. Bellwood must have been really stupid to think that guns would be a threat to a world with humans and monsters that are able to grow until they can destroy cities with only their own strength.
Akachi86
The funniest part?
Belwood kinda came to regret his actions. Not fully, since he’s a bellend, but he did wonder if he could do things differently. He wasn’t also completely wrong when it came to unrestrained technological progress destroying the planet.
The problem was the war with the Demon Lord actually almost destroyed the planet and created the current situation. Devil’s Nests for example are places where corrupted mana in large quantities was gathered, and it would be even worse in the Bahn Gaia continent if Nineroad didn’t dump excess amounts of mana on the Demon Continent (which basicaly wiped the surface of life, but not like Alda’s faction cared about races other than humans)
Alda’s faction wants the planet to return to the state from before the war. Which is impossible, but they’re to stubborn to realise it.
Vida’s wants to adapt to the changes.
Wolfwood824
>”I thought that Vida went insane from the moment that he was lost, but now that I think upon it, perhaps she had been deceived by Zakkart from the beginning.”
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More projection than a movie theater.
vigarro
Those lines are infuriating. Damn. Alda deserves everything comes and will come to him.
Zenden1st
dumb alda stupid rodcorte
Ereshkigal
Heinz way of thinking confused me at the same time it’s disgusting. “In any case, this was a trial given to them by a god, designed to make them surpass the champion Bellwood. Using such a cunning method would go against the expectations of the god who had given them the trial.”
You see, the gods who designed that fcking dungeon have already done the ‘cunning’ part. They let their little heroes get stronger on this dungeon without any consequences like dying, which is normal in any dungeon (Van’s not included).
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“… Even though I know the ones we just fought were illusions rather than the real thing, I feel pity for them. And we know what a grave sin it is to create and play with life at your own whim, even if they are monsters,” said Heinz. “… I wonder if Bellwood noticed this and was bothered by it as well? Perhaps Alda wanted to teach that to us?” I smell fcking hypocrisy. You who is reviving endlessly in that mothafcking dungeon have no right to say that BS. And no. Alda just wanted you little m@ggots to get strong to fight for their sake.
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“After this, I shall have them fight against monsters and evil gods of the Demon King’s army once more from the 51st floor, and then from the 60th floor, their enemies will mostly be Vandalieu’s servants. I will place the Vandalieu that defeated the ‘Five-headed Snake’ Ervine on the 65th floor. From the 66th floor onwards, it will be the Demon King’s army from the age of the gods, Vida’s faction as well as the Storm of Tyranny and Randolf ‘the True.’
Wow. These MF think like Vida is just a sister who have gone to a wrong path but they preparing mortal weapons as if it was the end of the world.
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“Randolf ‘the True’ wasn’t a believer of Vida by any means, but… he was a man who took unpredictable courses of action when incidents occurred. In the past, he had been a promising young man, but he was now a shadow of his former self.”
Is being free from any commandments of god considered as evil? I mean just because he doesn’t believe in any he should be considered as one, you know? It was as if they’re making him look like heretic or something.
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I thought that Vida went insane from the moment that he was lost, but now that I think upon it, perhaps she had been deceived by Zakkart from the beginning.”
When it comes to ranking of stupidity, Rodcorte takes the number 1. Though, Alda is not too far behind and could take the lead at any time.
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Alda&Bellwood: fireworks=evil
Chiu ChunLing
Yeah, the hypocrisy of Alda’s whole faction runs so deep it sometimes ‘goes without saying’, but it’s important to occasionally say it lest we forget just how hypocritical they are about everything.
Vitor
Yes, they are just dumb, ok, let’s just accept about the Storm of Tyrany, Van&co, and the Evil Gods, they are their enemies, after all, even if you made them your enemies by, absolutely no reason, just you being a dick, but what in the world did poor Randolf even do to you? And you call yourself the Law God? More like the Nazi God
Dark Ninja
I think you have got the last one wrong it isn’t fireworks which is evil. But gunpowder is used in fireworks which is something Bellwood and Alda wanted not to be created as it can be used in guns and Bellwood knows guns can be used to kill a lot of people. To stop gunpowder from getting created Alda just said black explosive powder evil.
Note: I am not a supporter of Alda but my personal opinion is some of his actions are logical.
Otakukamikazes
I’m pretty sure Bellwood was woke af and complete brainwashed and bullied everyone into following his teachings.
Temp950
Either the author or Bellwood doesn’t have a clue about modern firearms. The invention of gunpowder isn’t going to allow for automatic rifles or modern artillery and bombs. At best they will be able to create revolvers and semi automatic weapons that fire rounds at a pretty low velocity.
Its not gunpowder that modern weapons use. Its smokeless powder, which is entirely different. To make that they need to figure out how to make gun cotton and nitroglycerin(the stuff in dynamite). Not to mention some sort of impact sensitive explosive for primers.
Rasho
Either you don’t remember, or actually haven’t known about this, modern firearms were developed after this type of gunpowder was invented, and primary guns were used as how Melissa, Kanako, and Doug were testing the guns made by Zakkart a few of Chapters ago
Vitor
Also, why would anyone expect Bellwood to know anything except “gunpowder Evil, me dislikes, me like uncooked food and hate proccesed clothes, thus I go comando”
ObserverBias
You recall the accounts of Bellwood up until this point, right? Does he not sound like the kind of rabid animal that would ignore that guns don’t have the same level of effect, and focus more on the part where “this is a dangerous line to tread, let’s just forbid it”?
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Or, heck, the rabid hounds of Alda extremists, who drop-kick anything remotely “advanced” that people naturally come up with? Why point the finger at the author at all, when it’s clearly established historical fearmongering?
A_wandering_otter
But Bellwood believes that and the dipshit called alda believes in Bellwood whole heartedly
Slate_Remeny
Is it just me or are u guys are insulted by the fact the gods made van’s illusion be on the same stage with those two Pure-blodded vampis?
Chiu ChunLing
Pretty sure Van’s the most insulted of all.
What we’re all insulted by is Heinz pretending he still doesn’t know what this ‘trial’ is all about.
ObserverBias
You put a lot of stock in mortals secretly knowing exactly what they’re doing when even gods have been shown to forget where their brains are sometimes.
Vitor
Nah, but I understand you, just, since they don’t think, they seem the same to idiotic Alda
NsP7737
Rodcorte messing everything again
Typical Idiotcorte
Tau Dvore
How nice of Alda to point out the straw in Vida’s eye.
Rasho
“This seemed to infuriate the evil god; even though the effects of Super Provocation had worn off, it tried to release projectiles of light in Delizah’s direction once more.”
I seriously doubt that Fidirg would be like this, seems like Alda is f**king Heinz over. Also these b*s**rds Alda and Curatos are making Van look worse than the Demon King himself, even tho Alda knows that he isn’t, fk you Alda
vigarro
The worst thing is that Van and friends growth are so outstanding that Cuarto’s record is far from relevant.
asdsdsffdhffggkl
zakart is funny as shit, can’t make a decent gunpowder and wants to jump straight into nukes lol.
Chiu ChunLing
It’s not that the gunpowder is actually all that bad. It makes weapons effective against Rank 3-4 monsters, which are like bears and T-Rexs respectively. Rank 5 and above don’t have natural analogs, so we’re talking about things like light armored vehicles, main battle tanks, strike aircraft, battleships, carriers with a full complement, supercarriers, boomers.
Rank 5 requires an anti-materiel rifle to have a reasonable chance. Rank 6 would need something like a recoilless rifle, Rank 7 needs a specialized rocket of some kind, Rank 8 and higher just aren’t things you can manage with a man-portable weapon without superpowers.
Zakkart’s gunpowder was more effective than what Doug etc. managed to make, but there are just limits to what can be done with chemistry without relying on magic.
NjShade
I think using more advanced ballistic weaponry will effective against rank 7 & 8 like rail gun using thunder magic as power source or using energy weapon powered by magic crystal. At least normal people have power to protect themselves from harm bring by monster attack.
ObserverBias
Misattributed history. Easy bet the claims of nukes came from Bellwood as the “obvious eventuality” of gunpowder, and Zakkart said “Well, no, that would be bad for everyone involved even if/once we win.”
Randy Rando
No, Zarrakart definitely intended to create nuclear bombs. In the chapter called “Vida” she remembered that he said he would make “a terrible poison”, which is obviously radiation described in a way someone from a world with less developed science would understand. His plan was to make a tiny amount of radioactive material to test if magic an the power of the gods could purify it and if they could, he would build a nuke.
Del1a
He could make decent gunpowder, it’s just that the firearms he made using those were about as effective as they are in our world. They could only kill Rank 3 or 4 monsters and were ineffective for anything above that.
vigarro
This. It is funny that the best firearm Bellwood so afraid of can do nothing compared to magic. People already kill each other using magic. Even funnier, Vandalieu and his disease can cause damage to environment as good if not more as nuclear radiation if he wishes
Sailon
“As your records show, he always possessed eccentric ideas, but he was never evil. In fact, he often strived to preserve peace between his companions, but… he began to conflict with Bellwood and became more unable to restrain himself from doing so. I thought that Vida went insane from the moment that he was lost, but now that I think upon it, perhaps she had been deceived by Zakkart from the beginning.”
Meaning because Zakkart had diferent ideais from bellowod and arguing and belloowod refuse to accept the ideias of anyone except hilmself zakkart is evil. The logic of Alda is frightening is like i am order and good if you have a diferent ideia you are corrupt and evil like whatfuck Alda you are supposed ti be god of light and justice not the god of self-righteous and overflowing ego.
ObserverBias
Reading that last part, the four concepts honestly aren’t that far away from each other. Wouldn’t someone in charge of “law” develop a tendency to see things black and white instead of gray? And him being the god of light would probably mean he’d be blinded to the stupid things he does, since he’s making shadows happen by only having those two settings, and those shadows getting judged as “bad” when they shouldn’t be.
Kuroky
“Could it be that Vandalieu has even created gunpowder… The thing that Bellwood described as the most terrible invention?”
Considering how gun barely scratches rank 4 monsters then this trash god is a dumbass.
Vitor
He never was the smartest one, anyways, just look at the piece of mindlees selfish prick he took for a champion
Kuroky
Nineroad is such a bitch. Even if you think that changing side is too late, at least do something about alda, like telling him how he’s been brainwashed etc.
Touchme
The eco terrorist is terrified of pollution from progress? What the f*ck does he think has happened to the environment for the past 100k years due to his idiocy? After the demon king was defeated, less than a couple thousand people survived, entire continets gone to waste amd polluted beyond recovery from mana pollution and much much worse magic capable of killing a person in horrifying ways even after death. He’s destroyed the world due to his ideology.
Randy Rando
Also, radioactive material decays over time, that’s what causes it to be dangerous. If you wait until all of the radioactive material decays, it essentially becomes harmless. (This can take millions to billions of years but hey, it will eventually disappear). Polluted mana on the other hand grows exponentially. Polluted mana creates monsters who create more monsters and polluted mana which creates more monsters.
OtakuOnCaffiene
“It was a dreadful scenario to think about. It was unclear as to whether Zakkart himself had done it intentionally, but he was a mere human who had skillfully deceived many gods, including Vida, in a way that was so secret that even Curatos possessed no records of it”
Why.. Why the hell do you think Zakkart fooled gods? I don’t understand this level of stupidity nor will I stop that low to understand it! Because it’s just pure idiocy! In fact it’s more likely that Bellwood is fooling and using the God s to create his “Perfect and untainted world”!
vamptacus
i know right? i still can’t believe how the author has made me hate this people so much …
Vitor
Well, there is a record of a greater god being brainwashed by a demented champion: himself
Togglingon
I detest how Alda’s faction refer to Vida’s faction as being “Brainwashed” or “Tricked”
Like, really? Have you never thought about ANY of Bellwoods actions, looked into it in detail, and realised that he doesn’t take long-term effects into account?
Also, he says that Faraum has gone “insane” and that he hopes “Bellwood wakes up and talks him back into sanity”
That just sounds like brainwashing.
Gohankuten
Exactly! Bellwood is the brainwasher here. Zakkart at least only made suggestion and never tried to force his views on anyone. Bellwood on the otherhand has been brainwashing and forcing his views on others and it was him that caused the conflict with Zakkart not the otherway around.
Daoist_Blaze
Is Alda really being a pussy just bcuz of fireworks….. Lol
Once again Idiotcorte proves every one wrong
Curatos*Rodcorte definitely wouldn’t summon people form another world*
Rodcorte*I want you 100 summoned individuals to kill Vandalieu(who i summoned)
Flesh Sculptor
[“There were apparently several evil gods serving the Demon King whose existence was deliberately left unrecorded. If their names were left behind, the people would fear them and that fear would become power for them,” said Diana.]
Yeah that is what they call evil gods who helped them and fought a war by their side because they did not like their previous leaders world view in the “Alda land”. And the reason they call them that is because defector evil gods do not conform into Aldas “perfect world”.
[Even among people who possessed the Familiar Spirit Descent Skill, only one in a thousand could acquire the superior version, Heroic Spirit Descent. Heinz’s companions had acquired this Skill on the 30th floor.]
Meanwhile Demon Lord’s mom be like “Goddess descent bi❤️❤️es!”
[As they were now, Heinz believed that they could have conquered the Trial of Zakkart.]
Labyrinth loli would be laughing her tiny ass off at that notion.
[Does he want to turn us into warriors who could even face the Demon King? I’ve heard rumors that the Demon King has been resurrected, but… even if that’s true, why would he go as far as to create this Dungeon and make it appear before us? And it said ‘Bellwood’s successor.’]
I may be just paranoid but knowing Alda – he may be making a vessel and not a hero.
Also, i just realised that Alda to Bellwood is what labrinth loli was to Zakkart. 😂
Vitor
Oh god, that last phrase, it’s freaking correct!!!
unwanted child
It was a dreadful scenario to think about. It was unclear as to whether Zakkart himself had done it intentionally, but he was a mere human who had skillfully deceived many gods, including Vida, in a way that was so secret that even Curatos possessed no records of it.
so you not gonna think of bellwood that might of done just that
Raidanzoup
Alda is about to go full Pharaoh.
Tongyanyao
Oh some important info in this chapter. So the previous 7 champions’ Earth is not from within Rodecorte’s reincarnation system but Van’s Earth is. How many damn Earth are there? There is also origin with similar history but just with magic
Temp950
yeah I just noticed that… so who manages reincarnation in that Earth? I mean, so far we have been told that Rodcorte’s system is essential for life to continue, so that means there has to be someone else like him for every other world right?
Dean1997
I think people are being very incorrect in their judgement for Alda. Comparing him to Rodcorte is incorrect. Rodcorte is completely separated from any thought engaging activities, and because of that despite his near omnipotence he doesn’t even have an “o” of omniscience. Like a child with superpowers. But Alda, despite all of the reasons for US to hate him, has displayed calm judgement for events so far and has even been wise. True, it is for values that we do not like, but it is oblivious to call him dumb. Respect your enemy. Alda is an actual threat.
hungsayori
Despite showing astute assessment, Alda conveniently cherrypicks information, fearmongers his followers, propagandizes his self-serving authoritatian narrative through false dichotomy and casually commits genocide against self-aware creatures capable of rationality, under the sole basis of “I don’t like these creatures.” motivation is the only distinction between the two – Alda wants to shape the world to his non malleable idea of utopia which entails a intellectually/technologically stagnant society, Rodcorte desires a substantial population growth to secure greater divinity for godknowswhy.
Aside from that, their characters are rather similar actually – manipulative, adamant, remorseless etc. utterly disgusting
Soulzer1
I agree with both of you and would add that both Alda and Rodcorte are threats. Just threats in different ways. Rodcorte is lazy and incompetent for all the corners he cuts, how little he prepares for anything, and how little he pays attention to important details/things. Alda is a genocidal, closed-minded, jealous, and maybe even brainwashed god who thankfully is weaker than Rodcorte. I shutter at the damage Alda could/would do if his divine power was as great as Rodcorte’s. This also makes me feel better about Rodcorte being an idiot (mostly) cause if he was competent as Alda then Van-sama would be dead already.
polynesianvibez
thanks for the chapter
well that was funny
SuicidalSkeletin
Curatos thinks that Zakkart manipulated the Gods, meanwhile Bellwood turned them into dangerous maniacs with ideologies that align with complete annihilation of multiple types of sentient living beings as (or more) advanced than humans.
Ffs he thinks Van is evil for doing the same things any King would do. Like, shouldn’t you be purging your own believers if opposing other humans and making use of demon king fragments was wrong?
Chalky4Block
I can’t tell who’s slower: Idiotcorte or Aldumbda.
Lucian
Rodiot is an incompetent fool and Aldumb is a stiff old donkey,that’s too stubborn to accept that he might be wrong and talk it out.
WolfLord_Jordon
Really the only thing gunpowder could do in this world is make it so weak people can control weaker people using modern day weaponry man portable I think the maximum would be able to kill would probably be Rank 8 and that would probably take ages.Thanks for the chapter on a good story
McDeathTheReapr
what Rank 8, i don’t believe gunpowder can even kill Rank 6 for it to suddenly became barely capable of killing Rank 8 monsters
Skarbrand
Modern guns can hurt people in Lambda, the presence of Vitality prevents a headshot from being an instant kill
Pallington
Basically you have to tech super hard before you can even come close to hurting rank 8. The problem is, artillery and grenades are pretty useless because of OP mobility, and big gun means big target, so you have to tech ridiculously hard for actually reliably killing rank 7s or 8s, let alone 10
SuicidalSkeletin
Yes although given a few thousand years gunpowder could really be considered the most dangerous invention, as it would develop to a point where a lot of people would start giving advanced technology serious thought. Which would in turn develop the world in a way exact opposite to the will of Alda
Gohankuten
You mean opposite the way of Bellwood the Eco-Nazi Brainwasher.
ReignGuard
It is said that a truly insane man never thinks he is insane, rather, everyone else is.
Wsteven7o7
Im sane- insane and to me Alda has gone the Blind Stupid Insane path.
Blackpercher
a side story whew…
BUT!! im stil catching up!!
ARandomReaderWithAFull-SpacedName
The discourse of Alda and his followers really pisses me off. When they refer to the undead as ‘repulsive,’ when they refer to people or things as intrinsically ‘evil,’ when Heinz says that ‘playing with life is unholy,’ when they speak of ‘sin,’ when Alda calls others insane or wrong, and when he speaks of others ‘destroying order’
There are so many ideological mistakes in his way of thinking that it makes my head hurt.
Also, gunpowder was one of the best inventions of all time. It allowed the commoners who lived oppressed by the nobles who had complete control over all military matters (since heavy cavalry — knights — was the strongest method of combat) to free themselves, and it forced the nations to develop heavy industry.
In other words, without gunpowder, the only way of not being oppressed is being rich or noble. Read ‘Release That Witch’ if you’re interested.
WolfLord_Jordon
That would have been bellwoods Point it allowed industrialisation it was the first step in great social order change it allowed commoners to coming out and expressing themselves because they no longer get killed one-sidedly
Wsteven7o7
I think i know what Bellwood wanted…
And that is a world were everyone including Gods suck his Dick.. Wich they do but yeah he is a manipulator of Heavy weight.
I wanna see Bellwood and Asagi be in a disagreement and talking each other out of their methods for eternity Lol.
Wich will never happen since both will just Blowjob each other.
vamptacus
Release that witch was really great!
Wannabe
Whenever I see one of these gods saying Vida got brainwashed I have to remind myself that most of them only know of her from stories. I’d love to see one of the old gods wake up and start chewing out Alda and Vida.
McDeathTheReapr
i think Bellwood actually brainwashed Alda and the other Gods
Skarbrand
Bellwood brainwashed most of the gods in Alda’s faction. Alda himself shares Bellwood’s beliefs. Also, it would be interesting if Ricklent or Peria showed up and acted as a mediator between Alda and Vida.
antoniojz117
Alda and some of Gods in his faction are stupid asf.. He really is self centered and shallow minded God.
McDeathTheReapr
almost comparable to Rodcorte
Reader
Thanks for the chapter!
Deadmanbones
so im just curious, is the reason the updates are inconsistent because the translation is caught up with the author and he/she releases the raws inconsistently or because of the translator’s circumstances?
ObserverBias
Translator circumstances. The raws are supposedly around half a volume ahead.
Dtar316
according to NU, theres 315 chaps + 54 side stories, so i am pretty sure its ahead more than half a volume ahead
Nobody2
Why? It’s pretty clear they are the bad guys why throw a sudden and dumb twist just for the sake of shock. An especially dumb twist since van is Zakkart and therefore how the hell would he become an antagonist. And Zakkart has never been said to be a paragon by anyone in story even Vida acknowledged that he was sometimes to reckless and needed someone to talk through his ideas with him to make them better but that he was definitely better then Bellwood that’s all that was said
ObserverBias
On the one hand, the majority of that dichotomy is based in the viewers cashing in their tickets on the primary point-of-view character train. Easy to root for a “villain-esque” protagonist when they don’t act anything like a villain most of the time.
The values of god-beings don’t have a 1:1 ratio of carrying over to humanity; for that matter, he was only a corpse by the technicality of missing a soul, and I don’t recall the last time gingers were associated with being literal corpses, so there’s that. (Besides which, I mean, her domain is ‘life’ which kind of necessitates procreation to continue, and the world in its state was a bit low on the “living sentient not-full-on-monsters” at the time, so…)
On the /other/ hand, Alda is less an idiot and more a bitter, senile old man waiting for his son to get out of bed so he can officially retire, and having that as the main antagonist would be a bit sad. That said, the primary religion of the world that features these gods has Alda as the figurehead; NOT ‘everyone’ likes Zakkart. The guy you’re describing as “basically perfect and charmingly reckless” is actually Bellwood, with Zakkart being at least /kind of/ bitter about it (re; Gufadgarn’s reason for changing form). Now, that said, one of the two kids that came out of Zakkart’s union with Vida was a bag of butts, so maybe he does have ‘an amount’ of evil to him, but thinking critically, what, exactly, could he want to do that would make him an antagonist worth his salt?
Nobody2
Neither of Zakkart and Vida’s kids were evil. Their kids were the founder of ghouls and vampires and it’s been said repeatedly that vampires were basically all good and helpful until Vida was sealed and the true ancestor (the first vampire I assume your accusing of being evil) killed only then were some corrupted by evil gods
ObserverBias
I was, in fact, specifying the vampires’ true ancestor, and I don’t recall that specifically (all vampires being good and helpful) being brought up. Yes, a number of positively Ancient vampires stand vigil at Vida’s resting grounds (and I was under the impression there are more non-evil Purebreeds than evil ones that we know of, but I don’t recall one getting introduced besides Zorcordrio at the moment), but what I’m remembering is the vampire True Ancestor having a not-great reputation (which, out of the number of kids/races Vida bred out to repopulate, one off is still a mostly positive ratio). Would you mind reminding (generally) when or what situation that was brought up in?
Nobody2
The true ancestor has barely ever been mentioned all that was said of him was that when he died in the battle with Alda he claimed he’d be reborn and fight for Vida again. Never by anyone not following racism has the true ancestor been described as bad.
Nobody2
Except Zakkart was killed by the demon king and his broken soul was used to make Van who is not him despite that. This was absolutely confirmed Zakkart is not secretly alive somewhere and Van is not gonna suddenly get possessed by him either it can’t happen. And no it’s been said repeatedly that other than errors caused by other systems interfering with it that it works perfectly so Rodcorte system can’t be used as some Mguffin to bring Zakkart back. it’s literally impossible for him to renter the story in any fashion which means the only way him “becoming an antagonist” could even happen in the story and work is by making it a reason for Alda and Bellwood to be seen as right and giving the message that the ecoterrorist and genocidal maniac god we’re actually right the whole time is not where this story is going (at least I hope not if it does I have to lower my opinion of it) and again it sounds like to me you want a twist just for the sake of it and screw logic. You think it’d be unexpected and cool for a character we know to be good to suddenly out of nowhere be revealed as evil.
Vherkin
That because you are reading the story from the point of view of good versus evil even when it was stated many time that it change from person to person.
The goal of Alda is to remake the society as it was before. He is the god of justice and light but he also protect the order of thing. From that point of view, while extreme, is decision make a lot of sense and can even be described as “good”. He want to remove the influence from alien world, and let is world progress naturally. Because of this, he also want to protect the system Rodcorte created.
The goal of Vydya is life and love. That include life in the “savage” sense. Survival of the fittest, evolution and all that. Because of that, since humans, elves and dwarves where near instinct she created stronger race to adapt in this new world. We only need to see what hellish nightmare is the dark continent to understand why. The Demon king might have cause a terraforming process that is impossible to stop, only to slow down.
Also, she obviously want to take control of reincarnation in Lambda. It might be because she understood Rodcorte might cut the system and cause untold amount of damage or simply for selfish reason.
The Champion are interesting. I means, both are in their way pretty flawed. Zarkat tried to create nuke after all. He was ready to destroy the world before letting it fall. It is also mentioned here that they came from a world outside of Rodcorte control. So unless he recently took over it, they do not come for the same Earth as Vandalieu. Their could be way more damaged by war and pollution making Bellwood extremism more understandable.
The true bad guys of this story is probably Rodcorte.
My guess is simple, it will come to light that he consider worlds in the same way a farmer consider is cattle’s. It better if they are fat and healthy but in the end they are disposable. This will cause Alda to reconsider is position. If my other guess is right, that the world is still being terraform and it can’t be stop, even more so.
And finally, Vandalieu is not good, he a guys who slaughtered thousands. He also eat soul. The best we can say of him is “he not evil”.
Superboy8338
Those thousands of soldiers Van killed were going to kill Van just for existing, in my POV they’re evil.
Vherkin
It is not the fact that he killed them that is evil. It is the fact that he killed them without remorse then enslaved their soul. Note, i also think it was necessary.
ObserverBias
On the one hand, why should he be remorseful? It’s literally them or him and his people, and the situation they were in called for it to be him and his people.
On the other hand, are we still going with his Death Attribute: Charm being counted as enslaving souls? For relevant intents and purposes, the dead (killed by him or not) seem mostly happy to go into service to him, with the specific exceptions of two Purebreed vampires and many of their subordinates. Him breaking souls is, potentially, a more ‘evil’ thing by comparison, but sidebar consider overpopulation. There’s a severe backlog on Rodcorte’s reincarnation circle, to the point that Van wandering through a Duchy cleared out all of the spirits still wandering around to follow him, whether they were still coherent or not.
Vitor
Killing someone in self defense, and in defense of others, is not enought to call someone evil, at least, is way better killing several thousands for that motive than killing tens of thousands because “they didn’t exist in the world before the Demon King invade”
Funky K
I’ve been curious about this for a while now, but can Vandalieu lose Vida’s divine protection if he becomes stronger than her? I remember Fidirg saying that divine protections are something that a superior being grants to an inferior being like a fox borrowing the power of a tiger. So will Vandalieu lose her divine protection if he surpasses her or does Vida grow stronger the more Van grow’s, like the effects of guidance or something?
rainyday
that depends in what sense you mean stronger, he could probably already beat her in a fight but as far as God power it seems to be based on the number of followers and their worship and all of Van’s followers also worship Vida so I doubt it’ll happen
Cendacyl
Hmm, if my memory isn’t as bad as I say it is, I think the thing with divine protection was something like whether the god giving the divine protection had more Mana than the receiver. If that’s the case then I don’t know what will happen cause although Vida is incredibly powerful, the speed at which Van improves himself is also incredibe.
Still, if I had to take a guess, I would say, yes. If the god giving the blessing were to be surpassed in power(insert the correct variable here) then the one who has received the protection would basically consume the divine blessing. (Or so that’s the impression I get from what I can come up with) however, I personally think that Van isn’t gonna catch up to Vida all that quickly (although, catching up at all could be considered impossibly quickly from most people’s standpoints)
ObserverBias
It was at one point theorized that Vida couldn’t give him her DivineProtection when he first got to Lambda because he had more mana than her (which may or may not be accurate, as she was in her weakened state, but it showed up almost immediately after her bonds were broken), and Firdig and M(tentacle person) couldn’t grant him their DivineProtection due to (potentially) being less powerful at full strength than he was by the time they met.
If he hasn’t already passed the point where he would absorb their Protections, he probably won’t unless he makes a severe break-away from whatever it is about him that aligns with them.
frozen ink
since vida is something like a great god i believe that with van being something like her “holy son” him becoming more powerful is a possibility considering bellwood after all his time became a god in essence while still having aldas protection integrated into his godhood, kinda like faurman gold who basically stands toe to toe with the god that gave him his protection, so its less like a blessing and more like godhood training wheels …. tho this is purely reserved for beings like great gods and not the lower class ones like the evil gods……… tho in that case van might just ascend to godhood without needing to leave his mortal coils tho again this is purely hypothetical
WOLFking
is alda nuts or what thinking zakkart corrupted vida seriously. he is insane and the gods that serve him to
cloudguile
Is the LN any different from the WN?
Mamode
Which one of the two is this?
unmellow
this is the web novel
and all i know as far as differences between them is that some events happen in a different order also the light novel isn’t caught up to the web novel
Cendacyl
I just realized, but, Alda was the god of law and -something or other- (was it fate?) And now is the god of (was it light?) And law or something like that. My main point is the law part though. What is law? Who gets to decide what the law is? Why is law necessary? I think if Alda stopped to think about what he was the god of from the beginning then he might have understood the direction he should have taken. (BTW, I’m talking about Lambda, not irl stuff. What I’m saying would probably not work out all that great irl.)
First, what is law ? Law needs to be defined properly and clearly or there will be an unending number of problems. Is law the preservation of the reincarnation system? If so, then why couldn’t he become a god of reincarnation for Lambda himself?
Second, who gets to decide what the law is? Is law simply something that anyone can decide arbitrarily? If so, then doesn’t that mean Alda has free reign to do whatever he feels like? If they set strict, unbreakable rules from the beginning instead of vague outlines then wouldn’t he be more like a god of law and less like a god of being biased and judgemental? Does Bellwood get to decide what law is? Apparently.
Third, why is law necessary? Is it so you can lord over them, tell them what to do, and get mad at people who don’t conform to your standards? Can you get mad at physics for allowing gunpowder to exist? No, the law is so that the people don’t do things that are detrimental to other people. So that the gunpowder (that undeniably exists) is not used for mass genocide. Law is so that people are punished for malicious activities directed at those protected by the law.
My conclusion from these questions? Let’s maybe look for an answer.
My answer is rather interlocked with all three questions I asked. I will say that the law is: “the protection and retribution of and for intelligent beings(with some additions), from intelligent beings(with some additions), based on the policies of nearly every being. The policies of nearly every being understood to be: 1-desiring sustained existence(of the soul) 2-desiring sustained existence(of the body) 3-desiring fortune(basically: wanting to get what you want(nearly every being doesn’t want/wants to not be hindered in getting what they want. So hurting people on purpose is a no-go(unless they literally ask for it))) 4-desiring others to do what has been mutually agreed upon(this applies mostly to intelligent beings). Those who violate the law are exempt of the law’s protection until the suitable retribution is concluded.” Basically, don’t hurt people cause if you do you will be hurt back. In the first place, the demon lord no.1(+accomplices) broke this law, then Rodcorte, then (this may be debatable) Bellwood and Alda’s faction. Retribution is yet to be had for Rodcorte, and Alda himself is the being who is supposed to enforce the law, and therefore needs not worry about facing retribution. This essentially makes him a tyrant though. Now, Van has been wronged and is seeking retribution for himself because the warped law will not do it for him.
The conclusion: Alda is dumb.(and so am I)
Really though, isn’t this story just the best?
(=>ω<=)
PS. If anyone spots anything wrong with what I'm thinking(I'm sure there's a lot) then I want to know. It's fun to argue about pointless things for no real reason.
(●・ω・)b
Sly Janus
If I remember correctly Alda was born(?) as the god of Light and Law, controlling the divine power of Light and being really obsessed, for lack of a better term, with Law. After defeating Vida(who controlled Life and was obsessed with Love), and stealing her control of Life, he renamed himself(or was renamed by someone else) the god of Law and Fate.
You questions are based on the premise that Alda controls the divine powers of Law and Fate when he doesn’t, he’s just called that. He keeps talking about “judgement”, but when the gods were born there were only 8 of them, each wielding 1 divine power, and none of them had the divine power of Judgement, meaning he’s just using his own power of Light to bully his siblings. If he actually controlled the divine power of Law I’d say he can probably make his own rules, but because he’s just obsessed with it I’m gonna say he should ask the questions you just did. Not to mention, even if there was a divine power of Law it still wouldn’t give him the right to define law(though it would make him the foremost expert on it) because obviously even though he has the power of Life he can’t resurrect the dead or kill someone instantly(though Vida got pretty damn close to that first one).
For instance Ricklent, god of Time and Magic, has 0 control over other people using magic, and the most he appears to be able to do with Time is look into the future. Even if we assume Ricklent is the weakest of his siblings, with the least control over his areas, that still sets the precedence for “gods can be out done in their fields”, and if gods can be out done in the areas they themselves own then obviously they don’t define anything.
Also, since all 8 siblings are supposed to be equal(Alda just being the strongest because he’s the most worshiped and least hurt) I feel like they should be aloud to vote on things, and because Alda is alone and Ricklent, Zuruwarn, and Zantark are all backing Vida it looks like she gets to decide what “Law” is defined as.
PS. I don’t actually disagree with anything you said, I just wanted to point this stuff out
Cendacyl
;D Haha yeah, that makes sense.
Also, it’d be hilarious if there was a god of reality checks/unbiased opinions. Wouldn’t that just solve basically every problem ever? XD
It’s fun to analyze what other people say as well as the story, isn’t it? (￣▽￣)b
Supreme king
Law is something created by the strong or influential to make ruling the weaklings either nuff was said there
Wsteven7o7
Yeah yeah Supreme Virgin..
Here your pills 💊💊 you always forget to take them.
Vitor
Incorrect, Law is something needed un a society un order to maintain public order and prevent crime, the problem here os unjust law enforced by a being in a position of absolute power that doesn’t have any brackets in the form of other people, thus turning into tyranical, interested rules, thinking that law is inertially something to control and repress others is childish and reckless, as expected of you, if law didn’t exist, one could simply go, break in your house and kill you and there wouldn’t be any problem, and the only reason this only happens when someone is incredibly insane or decisive enouht to go to prisson for It, is thanks to the existence of law
Superboy8338
YES, FINALLY, NEW UPDATES!!!!
Elloria
Can someone remind me who was Randolf ‘the True’ again???
Orokamono
Another rank S adventurer besides Shneider
VIOLENT
The S rank adventurer, elf middle-age man he is now retired.
cloudguile
Oh no~ not the gunpowder what ever shall we do against it?
Kureyn
Keep in mind, they only know of gunpowder from, effectively, rumors told to them by some ancient Japanese hippie. :p Dumbass hyped it up so hard they think it’s on par with a nuke, and they have no idea that a normal gun wouldn’t even scratch a monster past rank 6 or so.
Now, granted, Vandalieu wouldn’t be making NORMAL guns, but still, his death magic is proooobably still scarier than anything gunpowder can do on its own.
Carex28
I think for normal people even a stare from him is scarier than (a) gun(powder)
ObserverBias
Friendly reminder; humans are, for the most part, not Rank 5 monsters (which gunpowder is less than super-effective against). Most of the gods concerned have put most of their stock in humanity.
The average human, possibly up to C or B class adventurers, probably wouldn’t do “great” against weaponry utilizing gunpowder, which doesn’t (necessarily) have to be used by Vandelieu or his forces. Anybody can use a weapon.
Musa Taiji
Finallllly!!!!!! somebody said it GEEEZ!!!! reading from Van’s perspective got everybody thinking on a different wavelength. Remember all of Alda’s side are god of humans….. and unlike modern society where the government has authority over guns and gun control laws etc we are talking about medieval human society here. Guns dont need years of training to master to kill a human being, just point and shoot, and mass produce. Plus remember that humans, (mostly normal humans) are the ones that supply these Gods with power imagine if a war with guns that kills off several thousand or even millions of ordinary people happens….they are gonna get weak fast…….everybody gets nervous when you threaten their food guys
Cendacyl
But still, it’s not like just because you have gunpowder you can use a gun effectively. The older versions of guns required a bit more work than sticking in the magazine and pulling the trigger.
First: you need the gun. It’s not like guns are the easiest thing to make ever. Just because you know the result doesn’t mean you know how to reach it. Even simple guns are pretty complicated. (Although a gun meant to fire modern bullets can be simplified to the extreme, the bullets would still be incredibly difficult to make)
Second: the accuracy. Even with a gun, the accuracy of an iron or lead ball isn’t all that great. Especially without rifling. I’m pretty sure that rifling isn’t something that is super easy to incorporate. Also, aiming isn’t something as easy as you might think. Even with a super accurate gun, hitting a target more than 30 ft away accurately isn’t the easiest thing ever. For a gun without rifling, shooting farther than point blank is kinda just shooting in the target’s general direction and hoping for a hit.
Third: the reloading speed. For a gun that isn’t using modern bullets you will have to manually load the gunpowder and stick the bullet in. That takes a while. You also have to make sure you aren’t gonna blow your own face off from loading too much as well as put too little and not shoot the bullet at all.
That said, guns are still dangerous. If used in close proximity, a hit is almost guaranteed and there’s no need to reload. It would be a perfect weapon for threatening someone in an enclosed space. I personally think that bombs would be a larger threat than guns though.
A few random notes: if it’s a gun that uses metal balls for ammo, the bullet can run out of the front if the gun is pointed downwards. With old guns the power behind the bullet was rather small and the range wasn’t too large. Cannons would be a bigger threat than guns(in a number of cases). Shooting guns is fun.
Fun fact, slingshots are about as powerful as some guns and can be just as accurate too(user plays a big part though). Although they may require a bit more effort to use, slingshots don’t jam, have good accuracy and power, can be constantly fired quickly, and are easier to make(maybe). This is just modern stuff though. Maybe they don’t have the materials needed to make slingshots in a world with a lower level of technology.
(I do agree that humans(with noob lvl stats) are one of the weakest species out there and could easily be killed by a bullet though)
This is for non-modern guns BTW. For modern guns there are less problems but the manufacturing would be more difficult and require more precision(although Van could just create a golem factory line or something). It would also require more research and take a bit longer to develop.
Kendov
1. The reason Van didn’t produce weapons with golems was because the weapons created like that didn’t have much of an edge. However, he can just create golems from metal and tell them to become guns, which also makes them self-maintained as long as they have mana because golem.
2. He comes from our world, so either he or another of the reincarnators will propose making cartridges with proper bullets. They have that knowledge already, so they can skip most of the early tech-tree. Make it finned golem bullets and they can even correct their flight path. Self-maintaining golem guns means that you can even be a bit more reckless with how much gunpowder you use as decay isn’t much of a worry. With all the magic you can stuff in there, they’ll quickly have weapons that leave ours in the dust.
Cendacyl
Hmm… That’s true…
And I just realized but there’s jobs for basically everything right? So once you become proficient with handling a gun you could probably aquire jobs and skills that increase the power and accuracy of the gun in addition to adding special effects huh. Maybe something like a skill tree with novice gunman to start then go to a specialized job like sniper or quick draw specialist.
I dunno, I’d just think that would be cool. But I seriously think that if someone got a gun-specific job then they would probably be able to surpass the limits of the gun itself.
Kami 2.0
I like the old comment section back.
Disqus was the good ol best comment site.
This new is not really for me.
Zing
Ey, finally my sponsored chapter appeared! Thank you for your hard work, looking forward to next chapter.
Yoshi
Thanks very much for your support!!
frozen ink
YOSHI SAMA!!!!
Wsteven7o7
Im Happy to say that i can make Yoshi sound.
Wich makes me yoshi subordinate…
” Im but a loyal dog”
XD
Hobbes
Arigatou Gozaimasu!!!!!!!
Yuiitsu Yumeji
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! Ahem, let’s see:
1- That scout has been hiding it, but it’s time for Heinz to face his sins, huh? Quite literally?
2- Finally Alda using his head?! Way to go, little puppy…
“It was a dreadful scenario to think about. It was unclear as to whether Zakkart himself had done it intentionally, but he was a mere human who had skillfully deceived many gods, including Vida, in a way that was so secret that even Curatos possessed no records of it.”
…uh, never mind. Wow, just…wow.
Einfalsch
Man, Team Alda’s so far out of it they’re turning into conspiracy theorists.
Nobody2
Well the funny thing is Bellwood did to him and his faction on purpose what he now is accusing Zakkart of doing maybe to Vida
Angel
This was merely a suspicion, and there was no proof. However, if this suspicion turned out to be true, then Alda could not trust a single child in this world.
Then Alda need to kill all the childerns?? ahahahah 😀
Thx for the chapter ^^
Hobbes
It’s not as though he wasn’t already doing that lmao
Funky K
Thanks for the Chapter!!! Honestly, there are too many things in this chapter that caused me to face palm. Just how delusional are Heinz and Alda going to get? Also “he was a mere human who had skillfully deceived many gods, including Vida, in a way that was so secret that even Curatos possessed no records of it”, I feel like this statement is foreshadowing something else.(Hint Bellwood)
Anyway, does anyone know where I can find a link to the raws? Since the Website updated I can’t find the old link.
Caoslegion
https://ncode.syosetu.com/n1745ct/
Funky K
Thanks!!
rainyday
they’re not entirely wrong about zakkart a lot of his plans, particularly convincing evil gods to change sides, were very surprising to the gods themselves during the demon king war but it’s weird that they’d call this deceit. It’d be stranger still but they might be talking about the undead zakkart vida had resurrected that fathered the vampires and ghouls and built taloshiem but he only possessed zakkarts memories and not even his soul so I doubt he really could’ve done anything like what they’re talking about
KingsLines
I don’t find Heinz particularly delusional. He is one of the more sane people around, and can be considered a good guy of the story, if not for circumstances putting him against Van
Vaccaria
I’m so disgusted with Heinz party. a party full of Hypocrite. It would be great if Van torture the whole party by burning them alive slowly then break or devour their hypocrite soul. And it would be so lame if Van just forgive them after all they did to his mother.
Carex28
I don’t agree. Heinz isn’t evil per se. He is a hypocratic Idiot that got brainwashed by his religion. But he is genuinly trying to help the people. The ones at fault are the gods(Aldas side). The second part only confirmed what an Idiot Alda really is. However, Heinz and co aren’t completely innocent, as people who have lost the ability to think for themself have lost their function and meaning as humans. Their incredibly shallow and superficial view of the world is disgusting to read. However, that isn’t enough to make me want to crush their souls or torture them. All that is needed is a good ol’ talk between him and Van-sama, in any shape or form, be it a fight or just a non-agressive discussion in a situiation where they can’t attack each other…etc.That would maybe change him in a way that he would think for himself what is right and what is wrong. If he is still a stupid Idiot, then Van-sama can go ahead and kill him for all I care. Thanks for reading all the way.
ObserverBias
… So, a few things.
On the one hand, Heinz’s group, as much as people call them out, are Not hypocrites. They are, in their own rights, the main characters of “their own” story, which is a side story to Vandalieu’s. Someone claimed, a while before the site update, that they should have “tried harder” to investigate the Dhampir boy they met all of ONE TIME before never seeing him again (until now).
Query; as a player character in any RPG, do you aimlessly chase down every character you meet that behaves strangely? Probable, possible. In the event that you do so, do you blame the game devs and scripters when that or those characters disappear without a trace and don’t show up until YEARS later? Ahyuck. Rhetorical. Addendum; it turns out SCRAPS of information concerning that or those characters popped up over time, but you’re kind of a busybody and have other crap to do, so it never got shoved in front of you in a blatant way. Looking it up off the game you maybe realize there were conspiracy theories about those scraps of information, but nothing conclusive was ever drawn.
As an individual, Heinz wants to do “the right thing.” As a human living in Lambda, “the right thing” is subjective, as the head god in charge openly “in charge” of keeping the world running “properly” has majority vote on what counts as history. To that end, he felt bad enough about Average Adventurer Fare (read as; getting bad vibes from being literally hired to kill a goblin family, and more bad vibes from being hired to capture a particular dark elf mother – ah, speaking of which, this incident was perpetrated by vampires, whom likely would have succeeded more fully if some adventurers hadn’t been skilled enough) that his alignment shifted, however slightly in the grand scheme of things.
As a group, they target what’s in front of them, which is somewhere just above Basic as far as Adventurer motivations go, but definitely better than whatever Marionette’s got going on by now. Of course, “back then” (middle point) Heinz just tried to do “the right thing” and help a Dhampir boy (whom he WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE because he never met him before) apply for an Adventurer’s License. A far cry from righting the wrong he had done him, sure, but a far cry from kicking him into a wall and setting cats on fire.
Hypothetically, if they were to encounter someone that knows what their arse from a hole in the ground/able to reconcile the truth with what’s “known” (Storm Tyranny comes to mind as an exact source, but at this point Randolph may or may not count, and isn’t it terrible when the known “accessible” people that could illuminate the situation are all S-Class Adventurers?), they’d likely be on a very different track (maybe only slightly, at this point, considering the… opposition), but until then, they’re the Blind (designated ‘heroes’) following the Blind-and-Belligerent (the god that got hoodwinked so hard by his chosen champion that the idea of Bellwood being anything less than a shiny golden god himself does not even occur as a thought).
On the other hand, Vandalieu is completely unable to reconcile anything concerning Darcia’s death with reason. Cases in point, early on he picks up two perpetrators that felt no guilt for the incident, let them wander around for half a month while he deliberated, and still broke their souls. They were a mess at that point anyway, sure, and lacked redeeming qualities to begin with, alright. Around that time, he also scrambled off like a raccoon caught scavenging the second he laid eyes on Heinz in a non-combat situation, jailbreaking a skill out of his freakout and accidentally-ing an abduction attempt. Fast forward to, what, less than half a year ago at this point (?) and he thinks his way through like 90% of Zakkart’s Trial’s Trivia Mode and has another more focused breakdown at the (acknowledged illusion) of Heinz as featured in his worst fear.
As much as I’m wanting to even half-correct judgments of Heinz, there ain’t no “talking it out” between the two of them without them both (primarily Van) being completely unaware of each other’s identity.
TL;DR: Cheeky, but unlikely, that.
Kazza
To be honest, I think the accusations of hypocrisy are more to do with how the group has kinda waffled on their stated rejection of Alda’s doctrine.
To wit, Heinz expresses in some way that he thinks the correct method is the peaceful faction. However, he also agrees it makes no sense, because wouldn’t Alda himself had sent a Divine Message, he still has a blessing, etc. So, he makes the quite bold claim that if Alda himself is against him, then he’ll convince Alda.
…Which everyone in the audience either laughed at or facepalmed. Firstly, because we know that’s a pretty impossible task, and secondly because Heinz doesn’t really mean it. I mean, think about it. Heinz has had years to learn, change, and grow, but it’s really only been vertically. He’s amassed power, fame, and now feels confident in his beliefs. Yet, when it comes to Alda/Bellwood, he turns into a little kid who blindly follows.
And why is that? I would think it’s because he doesn’t want it to be false. He wants his whole life to not be a lie. He wants Alda to be every bit the god he’s identified him as growing up in Amid.
As such, it’s a bit of confirmation bias mixed in with the Sunk Cost Fallacy. Alda can’t be wrong, so the church is wrong. This purge of Vida’s races has been going on forever, so there has to be a Divine purpose.
That, I think, is why a lot of people hate Heinz. I myself just think he’s a bit of an idiot, and would be fine with/without a Soul Break either way. Because, Heinz doesn’t really matter to Alda. He’s not really an ally, but a tool against Van. Alda doesn’t want a tool that can question him, so he gives Heinz no opportunity to do so.
And when it’s all said and done, it doesn’t matter what we feel, but what Van feels. Heinz is one of the people chiefly responsible for his mother’s death. That could have been the only person he kills, but that doesn’t matter to Van. Saint or Sinner, if you stand in his way, he will destroy you, completely.
ObserverBias
Two points back; one, it was never a ‘rejection’ of the doctrine. The peaceful faction is closer to what it says on the tin, in that they are still (on paper) technically followers of Alda. If they’re rejecting anything, it’s the no-room-for-negotiation disdain for races spawned by Vida, which is a juggling point, as not everyone is quite aware of all the races that count.
Two, half of Alda’s character arc is him still riding the Bellwood train; his primary characteristic is that he can be swayed, why is that a “tall order” because Ketchup Man says he’ll do it? As he himself said, he still has Alda’s Divine Protection for Some reason, right?
Besides which, more accurately, Heinz (and two or three of his party members, barring Van accidentally restoring the one he has a hold of) is the only one imvolved that hasn’t had to deal with Van’s judgment directly yet, unless Borkyne counts. The city it happened in, oddly enough, got away with just the walls walking off, so I’d reckon that’s his alleged Mental Corruption focusing on its trigger and maintaining its death grip on his issue.
Phantom Knight
Thank you for stating all this. The author-sama never really emphasized or clarified that Heinz and his party bare trying to save all of Vida’s races too. In other words, the party are full of extremists, but Alda is manipulating them.
Well, I still feel that Edgar had the potential to track down Vandalieu-sama, but they choose to preoccupy themselves (and we’re stopped from digging too deep by accident due to destiny/author-sama). However, even if I am not satisfied about some things with both Vandalieu-sama and the Five-colored Blade party, I am happy with how they also choose to become extremists in their oath of redemption……..
Sly Janus
How are any of the Five-colored Blade’s extremists? 1 person was perfectly fine with killing Vida’s races but he was such a scum bag he would have been fine with killing human children if it would have gotten him a promotion, and the others have spent the past couple years raising a Dhampir. If you’re talking about what’s happening in the dungeon, they don’t know they’ll have to fight Vida and Vandalieu’s forces, that was the gods discussing what they WILL be fighting.
ObserverBias
They’re “extremists” in the vein that they shifted away from the radical faction of Alda to the (relatively) more “peaceful” faction (… or that’s how I’m parsing it, anyway, perhaps they meant what they said?). Though I mean, any follower of a god that claims “I’ll correct my own god’s way of thinking” and the people that support that person are probably reasonably considered “extremists.”
Vaccaria
Well, evil is just a matter of perspective. For me Heinz and his whole party is idiotic evil. I just can’t accept their conduct of hunting Darcis, a d class adventurer with their whole b class party so they can burn her in public. And if people said that they have repented by saving that dhampir girl I just can’t accept it. If they want to repent then they should be burn at stake like Darcia too, because even if they save one person doesn’t change the fact that they killed Darcia. And I for one think that Van should not just forgive them just because they save that dhampir girl.
ObserverBias
Concerned reminder; “repent” does not in any way, shape, or form equate to “commit suicide,” as edgy folk like to bring up “that doesn’t make it even” and refuse to acknowledge anything about the attempt, instead calling the characters considering doing so “stupid” because that’s a hell of a waste.
Secondary reminder; Darcia doesn’t care nearly as much as the readers seem to, and she’s the one it happened to. Of course, it’s convenient because she was relatively quickly secured by her son and has most recently finally been reborn into a physical form, but that doesn’t just given carte blanche to ignore that she’s literally better now than she would have been had events not transpired the way they did. If they’re going to doom themselves, it’s not going to be based on old hat that’s already been corrected.
unmellow
I just don’t agree that the only way for Heinz to repent is to die
vandaliue has plenty of allies and that have murdered innocent
people and I don’t think he should just kill them all yeah he has to
do more than save one little girl to repent for what he’s done but
I still think whatever punishment he gets he shouldn’t be killed
assuming he doesn’t try to kill vandaliue or any of his friends again
tl:dr I’m a firm believer in rehabilitating criminals
Hobbes
Finally!! Someone else who points out the biggest problem with Alda & Bellwood’s religion. It deliberately brainwashes and encourages everyone to not think for themselves or use their brains in any meaningful way. Critical thinking is generally opposite to religious fanaticism, but Alda’s faction takes it to another stratosphere. Oh, and when someone does step out of line they are not provided with an explanation or reasoning. They are simply deemed evil, dark, fallen, and insane. Sounds like a fun club to sign up for, right?
BoringHorseMan
The later chapters, when Van actually goes into the dungeon with proper preparation and faces Heinz, that chapter disgusted me even more. Heinz mindset was like, yeah we can solve the conflicts with non-human species, I remember Van was a bit moved, when he realized Heinz was being the neutral or progressive believer of Alfa instead of being aggressive and trying to purge all Vida species. When Van was suggesting the idea that he was merely protecting his own people with force and building a sanctuary for his people and he had to use violence to solve the invasion shield nation and the occupation of scylla region. Then Heinz says : but how many human are gonna die and affected by you(Van)!!! You have no regard for human life!!!! I will banish you into void now!!!!
The logic flaw is so unexplainable. Around chapter 198.
ObserverBias
… (posted on a side chapter with the most recent translated chapter up being 192)
Call me crazy, but I’m doubting either Van taking an interest in Bellwood’s dungeon enough to backtrack and attempt it while Heinz is still inside.
Your statements on what Heinz “said”/“is going to say” to Van sound more like Asagi’s when they talked face to face like a few dozen chapters ago, so I’m doubting that actually happens again.
Now, on the one hand, there’s the idea that you know what you’re talking about, in which case, I’m gonna have to ask you to leave before you spoil anything else, because spoilers. On the other hand, presuming you got some weird jumble of chapter numbers and are instead restating something that has already happened (that I’m not remembering at all), I’ll ask you to cite your source because Van hearing Heinz out in any capacity without scheming the most efficient way to kill him sounds sketch to me.
BoringHorseMan
Aww.. im so sorry, I read the japanese raw. It’s indeed an inconsiderate spoiler. It’s from chapter 193 and 200.
Ryuuseiboy1
Anyone have a raw chapters discussion (discord or reddit) channal? I can’t hold back from giving spoiller to someone. On correction of BoringHorseMan comment
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From what I understand, the first one was unexpected and undiscovered while the second was awaited by Van himself.
unmellow
if you want to discuss spioilers from the raws go to
this discord https://discordapp.com/invite/EK8jK7s
and talk about it in the spoiler section
Just another account
Heinz is definitely not really trying for atonement and definitely deserves to die many times. I just thought that if Heinz really wanted atonement he would have tried to save Vandelieu or Darcia. We know that he “regretted” capturing Darcia and letting her burn to death but he could have at least tried to stop it or pray for her after her death if it was not possible. Maybe he did not “regret” enough yet but he could have been able to try and find Vandelieu. Seriously, he could have saved Vandelieu as soon as he “regretted” his actions. Or if he thought it was too late, he could have buried him but if he turned into an undead then he could have just done something to stop it. Instead he just “regretted” killing Vandelieu’s mother and set of on a journey for “atonement”. Also his “atonement” for “forgiveness” is to save other people of vida’s race but I think he does that as an excuse to make the supposedly dead dhampir feel guilty for hating him when he saved other people and forces him to forgive Heinz. That is what I got out of it.
Kendov
Rodcorte is in deep sh1te now o.o especially when they find out that most of his hostile attitude is because of Rodcorte’s irresponsible behaviour. And how many people are going to reincarnate in total. Not even half of them died for the second time iirc and a bunch of them are already pretty much running wild on Lambda.
Also, most terrible weapons are gunpowder driven? Their world seems to be a bit behind us, they don’t seem to have electro-magnetic weapons. Railgun with 5km/s projectiles which incinerate metal through nothing but friction on impact. I imagine that magic can easily create something portable which is just as powerful. I’m honestly surprised that they haven’t invented computers yet.
unmellow
this world is a lot younger than “ours(the one vandalieu is from) also there was that long war with the demon king that killed most of humanity and some people like to destroy technology
for religious reasons so that’s why they are so behind technologically
Archelepago
Randolf the True is super shady, he just popped up to take a look at the dungeon and then disappeared and even the gods don’t accurately know his strength… What’s his deal?
ObserverBias
Remember Storm Tyranny being super shady until we got the green light on them being “in the know”? Thinking, that, but probably played straight. How old is Randolph supposed to be, again?
Archelepago
The Storm of Tyranny didn’t stay super shady for long after they first actually appeared but Randolph’s only other appearance so far has been back with the new King of the Sauron region where he was seemingly aware of Vandalieu telling them to be wary of him, but the fact that he’s being put among the enemies inn that dungeon and can’t be monitored by Curatos leads me to believe he is outside Alda’s domain in one way or another. As for Randolph’s age I think he was supposed to be north of 200 years old but as he doesn’t have a character sheet here yet so the exact age is unknown
frozen ink
he’s an elf so a thousand ain’t that much of a stretch
Cendacyl
Maybe Randolf is a follower of an evil god? If he belongs to neither Alda’s faction nor Vida’s faction then I find this kinda likely. We still don’t have enough info on him to make realistic guesses though.
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Makaayplays
Wow one of the biggest idiots is slightly less of a dumbass now¯\_(ツ)_/¯ a round of applause please.
Frucose
Thank you for the chapter. Are there no longer any scheduled chapters and just sponsored chapters now?
Yoshi
That has been the case for like a year and a half now…
Assassinking16
It’s almost sad that it took Alda this long to piece together Rodcorte’s done something stupid. I love these side chapters, they prove Bellwood warped Alda’s way of thinking.
ObserverBias
Now, does that speak to Alda’s ignorance as a whole, or Rodcorte and the Braver’s discretion? So far literally two of the second-reincarnation Bravers have been properly reborn as opposed to springing fully grown from nothingness. Curatos and his familiar spirits are likely otherwise busy, sure, and a dozen no-name adventurers getting any normal amount of renown before going missing is nothing special. The only significant blips on the map were Kanata and Van to begin with, and the fireworks are the only thing particularly egregious as evidence of otherworld-ness so far.
It’s not like Rodcorte constantly attends god meetings announcing his complete lack of suspicious shenanigans or insisting they ignore Vandalieu.
Nguyen Tran Duong Hoang
With gunpowder, can Van create guns? If possible, he can invent nuclear bombs
Assassinking16
That’s what Alda’s really afraid of right now. I mean, Van has a gun already, but it shoots out Demon King parts. Actual bullets are still a good ways off I’d imagine.
Peerman04
If the author stays true to his own words, guns will probably not happen since the damage of guns are only a bit of damage to a high ranking monster or C-class adventurers (maybe B). Though maybe Nuclear bombs can be a thing because of Radiation poisoning.
Armorpiercer
Nuclear weapons are separate things, they can’t be created from mere gunpowder
the guns are impractical for this world (it still relies on user stats)
Kendov
Wait for electric revolution by magic and the resulting railguns, I guess those could deal a fair bit of damage.
rainyday
they have guns they tested the ones zakkart made earlier and said they might be able to upgrade to revolvers if they could make fuses but they said they wouldn’t be very effective in this world
ObserverBias
Excepting the part where Van has repeatedly acknowledged he’s not that “smart” (he doesn’t know what he never knew/paid attention to). He has memories from two lifetimes, those of a high school student that didn’t have a great home life, and those of a living time bomb. Not a lot of time to research nuclear physics, there. It has been stated his (previous?) general setup for Talosheim’s defenses were those of an amateur that had never paid attention to defensive structures; however effective it is/may be, it’s still something slapped together.
Now, if someone explicitly knowledgeable in guns and the works thereof (likely at least two in the Hundred Bravers, likely of those that have yet to die in Origin), that would be a step in that direction, but eh… no. Van likely has enough Passing knowledge of nukes to know he doesn’t want to drop that shyte anywhere near Lambda. Poisoning the ground of a stolen settlement? Sure, with warning signs to keep people away. Nukes are just rude.
Cendacyl
Oh my gosh, lol. ‘Nukes are just rude.’
(*≧▽≦)ﾉｼ))
(BTW, gunpowder vs. uranium, plutonium, and hydrogen. How are they related? You don’t use gunpowder to create nukes, and you don’t use nuclear fission to create guns. The fields of knowledge, if related at all, are extremely far apart, and the difficulty of getting the knowledge, the difficulty of getting the materials, and the difficulty of actually creating the weapons effectively while making sure that they don’t backfire in the process, as well as the risks involved comparatively…
You understand what I’m getting at yeah?)
ObserverBias
Eh, reason I left it a ‘step’ in that direction rather than skipping to the end. Specifically, ‘proper’ production of firearms would/might prompt mass production, and as they would count as weapons that /start/ relatively “powerful” despite the wielder not having the required skill for it, people might actively want for it.
Recall, while magic is a “thing,” most humans never get to a point where it’s something they can set to be a background function; mana is capped hard for everyone /not/ Vandalieu. The next best/better thing is martial skills, which take training, luck, and perseverance to grind up (for most people), with “walls” being acknowledged as roadblocks that pop up randomly. With enough training, any weapon is, of course, deadly, but your average NPC isn’t going to live more’n a few decades.
While guns wouldn’t exactly do much to monster R5 and above, below that is fair game… as are other humans, which would allow whoever monopolized gun-type weapons that /work/ properly would steamroll other humans. Allegedly, times of conflict prompt quick advancement in warfare, so a step would be all that was needed.
kumari
There’s a realm of difference between mere gunpowder and nuclear bombs. Zakkart was close to researching that since he was originally an adult (unlike Van) and he has creation-based cheat abilities. Besides, Vandalieu is already a walking nuke/plague so it seems kind of pointless for him to be researching that.
Cendacyl
Who needs nukes when you can just go right to the nuclear fallout? XD
(honestly though, Van could probably wreck the world if he felt like it if he made a super contagious disease that just suddenly kills after like a year or two(gg ez))
SamiNeptune
Rip Heinz’s party for being ignorant about the full power of Vandelieu.
Kendov
At this point, nothing short of a direct divine intervention could stop him from just rolling up the entire empire if he so desired. I don’t know how he compares to the original demon king, but but all evil gods and most of the others are a candle in the wind against him at this point. And Alda doesn’t even know. [Soul fragments of four champions + sealed demon king fragments + two massive power-ups by Rodcorte] > greater gods.
SamiNeptune
I want more Van ;-;
UnveilingSage
On a side note: The reason you (Yoshi) started translating slower is because you got a job…right? If so, what’s your new job? Just curious.
Yoshi
Working in a Japanese government office
Superboy8338
Is it safe to foreshadow that a big a$$ holy war is going to happen in the future? I’m basing this off of the events from chapter 1 to now.
ObserverBias
As a reader, you can speculate. Unless you’re the author asking for permission to foreshadow, I’m not sure that’s it, chief.
Wsteven7o7
Even do im coming so late to reading this amazing story it makes me happy to see you all the way down here goes to show you care about it.
Kazza
“Using such a cunning method would go against the expectations of the god who had given them the trial.”
-Pfft.
I love it when the author writes in character.
Yeah, full refill on health/armor/Mana, but you have to go back 50 fuckin’ floors of respawned enemies. Too OP gais, play fair.
By that logic, Dark Souls is a challenge by the gods, too.
“Yeah, I could just fight O&S again, but l’m down one Estus so I should respawn every fuckin’ Silver Knight in the palace to get that little pinch of health back. Fair’s Fair, Anor Londo.”
Meanwhile, Van’s over here having the labyrinth walls move out of the way and glitching out the mirror room with his alien meat cult.
GG, Heinz. Amazing Chest Ahead.
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Speaking of Dark Souls, does anyone remember Aldia from DS2. Y’know, that FUCKER who bored you to tears every time he opened his goddamn misshapen hole of a mouth? Spitting dialogue as nonsensical and cryptic as his body?
Reminds me of Alda. A being who should really shut the fuck up and go away. Or die. Preferably the latter.
rainyday
I think it creates a good contrast with the Trail of Zakkart wherein gudfagarn was impressed and even praised van for being crafty and solving the tests in ways he didn’t intend. It serves to highlight the differences in values between the factions
Kettern
Thanks for the chapter
kumari
Thanks a lot for the new chapter! Almost coincides with the next japanese release so I’ll enjoy reading new Death Mage chapters for two days in a row.
Montel
So Zakart tricked Vida… how stupid are you, I honestly believe that Bellwood had manipulated all of Alda faction somehow.
Bloodysorcerer
Belwood did manipulate and brainwash the Alda faction, there’s a side chapter that pretty much suggests this as a possible occurrence, since Alda was mentioned to be less extreme back at the Age of Gods. if I remember correctly Bellwood was almost an Ecoterrist in his own world, he had some exaggerated ideas about the development of technology, and given to Alda’s more conservative nature, this allowed him to convince Alda with his arguments, which is what turned Alda in what he currently is.
Nox
It was mentioned by Farmaun that Bellwood indeed manipulated them with his unique skill and Farmaun “awakaned” 50k years later and that’s why he is on Vida/Vandalius side
rainyday
I don’t think it was a skill didn’t bellwood just make hollow arguments that sounded and felt better than Zakkart’s more realistic and mature reasoning?
ObserverBias
I don’t think Zakkart’s reasoning was ever actually stated to be (consistently) realistic and mature, but specifically, Bellwood was “good” at getting people fired up and prioritizing the immediate situation over what comes next. In two particular instances, he gets the crafting squad ganked insisting they should be the ones backing up his own force (when it was suggested they double back and cover them), and managing to get less survivors out of the end of the war than they were scheduled to get through his bullheadedness.
Technically speaking, Zakkart’s logic was (in comparison) “unrealistic” (due to being unprecedented) and “immature” (specifically, recruiting evil gods for their own cause. Bellwood potentially used the reasoning that “that kind of thing only happens in cartoons” disregarding the fantasy setting of there being an evil overlord, gods, and (powers) skills). In hindsight, yes, it worked, but in the moment it was a gamble.
Telephotoleek69
The brainwashing of the Alda faction was from Bellwoods Guidance skill the Guidance skill puts the Guiders followers on the same path as the guider
RipDisqus
I like how these factions are making sense of what Vandalieu is doing while the kid himself is unaware that his likeness is being used as a training dummy and being thought of as this Dangerous being while him and his whole country is just celebrating his mother being reborn lmfao.
V4NQU1SH
“The Storm of Tyranny, who were secretly believers of Vida, were a particularly large threat; it was possible that they would become an even larger threat than Vandalieu himself”
-they still think that Schneider and his gang were more dangerous than Van-sama himself. hahaha
-yeah. that’s right. think that way.
rainyday
idk Schneider’s abilities as the “seed provider” are a pretty big treat to alda and his religion all things considered
ObserverBias
Actually, they’re considering that Vandalieu is ALREADY the larger threat, and that Storm of Tyranny could (despite being made up of entities multiple times Van’s age) catch up and pass him again.
Which is, potentially, fair. While Van is well-established as Emperor of the BMR and southern portion of the continent (when, exactly, are we going to get a map…?), he’s a myth in Amid and Orbaume, for the most part, and unlikely to be welcomed with open arms by those that don’t subscribe to Vida’s… route(?). Storm of Tyranny, meanwhile, is more freerange, with an established presence and options on what they want to do. As-is, they most recently enabled a number of refugee’s safe advance to Talosheim. If they were outed as followers of Vida, it’s not like any force aware of them could /stop/ them, and it’s possible that alone would sway some fence-huggers to that side, potentially putting even more people in contact with Van.
Nobody2
Really happy to see this chapter.
TSilva
Thanks for the chapter I can never get enough of it, this chapter was doing an amazing job at getting me annoyed at Alda and Curatos
Paps
Thanks again for the wonderfull chapter, well been biased is really an awfull thing. The one manipulating has been Nellwood for so long and they still haven’t noticed. Well they will be surprised to know that Vandeliou is way out of their current understood league.
Phantom Knight
Thank you!!!! I was feeling so frustrated and shocked at seeing how ignorant Alda and Curatos were. Thry arbitrarily called Zakkart manipulative and evil, because he argued against Bellwood after getting tired of his antagonist attitude. However, they never realized how they were the ones being influenced and manipulated.
It makes them see so stupid. However, we can see how smart they can be. After all, they made considerable judgment on how to train Heinz, deduced how Vida is gaining back her Power, and figured out the source of Vandalieu-sama’s abnormalities………They are still douchebags though, since they treat their evil god comrades as evil despite fighting with them
frozen ink
the thing none of em pointed out is that religion in itself is a major cause of strife but then again nations may come and go but sheep are easy to find
GashBello
Thank you for this chapter
CLE3
‘In any case, this was a trial given to them by a god, designed to make them surpass the champion Bellwood. Using such a cunning method would go against the expectations of the god who had given them the trial.’
Yes I understand the whole “don’t get use to the infinite lives thing” and it’s a great point but I still find it funny, and kind of sadly accurate, that Heinz basically thought “I must become just like Bellwood… so I must work harder not smarter”.
On a similar note (and I also know this horse has been already beaten into subatomic particles by this point) Bellwood is an idiot, many “issues” with Earth tech could easily be overcome with magic. Ex. take those who can use the fire attribute but aren’t particularly gifted at combat or creation to use broad terms and give them a job heating boilers to run a train or a generator without the need of fossil fuels, I took Van like 3 seconds to come up with that idea.
Nobody2
Bellwood was and eco nut and a medieval magic geek he didn’t want to fix the problems he’d much rather van anything modern to keep his paradise
Bloodysorcerer
Yes, It was even implied that Bellwood pretty much brainwashed Alda with his Ideals, which is probably what made Alda into the Ignorant god that his currently is. Meain reason why I don’t hate Alda’s side that much because we can celarly see that his judgement has been affected and that the original Alda would’ve never done what he did against Vida.
Cendacyl
Was it only implied? I feel like I remember that it literally said Bellwood brainwashed Alda. Is my memory bad?
(-ω- ?)
Wsteven7o7
But even so that does not save Alda wich is a God that is supposed to know human Nature and be above a human meaning he could not get control if he just paid attention.
So yeah hate him and his Hitler like idealism.
Chiu ChunLing
“As they were now, Heinz believed that they could have conquered the Trial of Zakkart.”
…What does blondie’s INT stat even do?
Well, there’s no fixing stupid, especially willful stupidity. In which aspect Heinz (like Asagi) is truly Bellwood’s successor.
Wsteven7o7
I think is just a stat that say how well you are good at magic because I DO NOT BELIEVE HEINZ CAN BE SO STUPID IF THE INT WAS TRUE.
Chiu ChunLing
Well, yes.
Though to be fair, people with very high IQ’s can be extremely stupid IRL, measurable IQ just has to do with things like memory capacity and processing capability. In fact, people with higher IQ’s tend to be better at willful stupidity.
As Heinz’s ‘surprise’ at encountering Van in Alda’s special made brainwashing dungeon demonstrates. I’m actually almost surprised that they noticed it was designed to “teach” them rather than test them.
Hobbes
You’re off the mark a bit with the first paragraph, but ‘Hell Yeah’ to the second paragraph
Just Nothing
Thanks for the chappy~
Is it fine for me to assume that ch 192 is the last ch in vol 9?
Just Nothing
Other than side ch I mean.
Ryuuseiboy1
It’s not. Im gonna give a little bit of spoiler.
The next chap is gonna point out a little how the rest of vol9 gonna end.
Diggydawg
“If I recreated him based on information from ancient records, and he was considerably weaker than his present self, Heinz and his companions might make incorrect assumptions about him if they were to encounter the real one. Thus, I have left him out.”
Lol, good luck getting them accustomed to mid-tier Vandalieu, they’ll get smashed when then provoke the evolved Vandalieu.
kazamakj
Well since we are the readers we can actually see what has happened to Vandalieu. Still their data is off by really a lot. His first “growth”, his ever increasing experience because he has basically an automatons that go out with a leveling party and he get experience points from that. Plus his overall combat experience, it is really going to be a bad day for Heinz and party for sure.
kumari
Not to mention Darcia, who’s very likely to be one of the strongest entities in Talosheim. The Alda faction don’t even know she even exists!
frozen ink
you forget that van is technically a demi god at this point since darcia is basically a goddess
rainyday
van develops a lot faster than alda and curatos could ever be expected to reasonably assume
ObserverBias
… Weren’t we under the impression Van is peaking into godhood himself for several dozen chapters by now?
frozen ink
from what i understand one cannot become a god while still being mortal and since van technically has a lifespan albeit far off he cannot be a god
ObserverBias
(didn’t his race just change to having “Goddess” in parenthesis a few chapters ago? As well as a number of his followers already having his “mostly censored” Divine Protection?)
Zenden1st
I dont want van to become a god he could get spiked by aldumb, i want him to be an immortal human god
Sailon
Well mortal aside one can become a god having a material body like elder dragon colossus even purr breed vampire can be consider they are called demigod so Van can maybe become one
Kendov
I think the closest guess of his capabilities they got was his fight against the 15 holy Swords or whatever they were called. But even then he was holding back a lot of stuff and they know almost nothing about his people, especially those who evolved under his guidance. I wonder if they will try to attack him like Rodcorte tried before, I really want to see him break a God.
ReikoLupus
The thing isn’t if he uses the abilities or not.
Curatos doesn’t creates copies and gives them the abilites he thinks they can use, he archives the very existence of creatures and is able to create “Ghosts” of them.
The reason why that’s the last versión they have of Van, is simply because he doesn’t come of of the territory of Vida very often. Since the Gods on Alda’s side can’t even look in her territory, they can’t update the Ghost of Van.
But this also means that, as long as he isn’t powerfull enough that Curatos couldn’t make a Ghost of him, then it doesn’t Matter if he shows his abilities or not. All the things Van could do when the Ghost were created, can be done by the Ghosts… Well, maybe except the things that are too over the top and cannot be copied XD.
Peerman04
Wdym mid-tier Vandalieu? He has gained so much power rn compared to when he was fighting against the Fifteen evil breaking swords lol
Hobbes
Apparently, the anti-intellectual, violent, prejudiced, self-righteous, authoritarian, and genocidal side in this conflict doesn’t quite understand or properly value the immeasurable importance of information/intelligence-warfare…
Huh, who would’ve guessed it?
Guroga
So only Alda and Curatos are really imposing the tech ban.
kumari
Well I think the idea originates from Bellwood himself, Alda continues following that ideal since he doesn’t realize how much he has been brainwashed and every other god always follow Alda’s lead.
rainyday
the ones who don’t date back to the age of the gods wouldn’t even really know what other worldly technology was in the first place
Lucian
Thanks for the chapter!
MaxGut
thank you for the chapter.
ShiN.A.X
Thank you for hard work.
Seinvolf
Thank u always for ur great work…
^^…
frozen ink
in this world…. gunpowder at most can piss off rank 5 monsters….. and now its somehow the most dangerous weapon……. plus pollution…. wars fought over resources…… that settles it bellwood was an idiot….. cause people would fight for rocks for all they care and burn down entire forests to build up towns ……… how much of an idiot would you need to be to repress an entire worlds development over thing that already happen?!! good lord alda is retarded
Megamink24
Remember, Alda’s knowledge on gunpowder comes from Bellwood, who’s views were very flawed and also didn’t understand anything about the makings of this world. Alda only knows about the power of gunpowder from Earth, where the laws of the world are very different from Lambda.
frozen ink
best part is he thinks nukes can’t be mass produced ….. “sweats irl”
Kuroky
Its like getting a wrong sources of info lmao
Lui5aidh
I know, Bellwoods ignorance spread like a plague to Alda and all his followers whilst Zakkart changed vida and her followers to be better people.
frozen ink
not necessarily better since the creation oriented heroes did half ass the whole ninja thing with what im pretty sure is a naruto reference among smaller things and almost accidentally spread otaku culture then again considering none of it is inherently bad it is still better than aldas group
Bloodysorcerer
Bellwood wasn’t ignorant, he was malicious, Bellwood was described to be an extremist who loathes technology almost on Ecoterrorism levels. He was also implied to have brainwashed Alda and his followers with his Ideals because he wanted to keep lambda in it’s current state.(He hates technology after all)
FishEater
yeah, it was to the point where almost as soon as he went to sleep a whole whopping element realized “hey, that’s kinda dumb”
Tenderizer
I think Bellwood did have some level of a point, but he got the entire premise wrong. The air and water being polluted is a result of unregulated capitalism, and forests being teared down is mostly to do with meat and dairy consumption, and wars are happening in this world even without gunpowder. Being against gunpowder, steam engines and fossil fuels … the first would solve nothing and the latter two would be like killing the patient to cure the disease.
His message should’ve been “Neither wealth, nor bloodline, makes you a superior person to anyone else. Improving yourself in diverse skillsets is the only way to become a better person”. Of course, that sounds like something Zakkart would say, not Bellwood.
ICZephyr
The author really knows how to show how stupid Alda is each time his side comes out..lol
About the same lvl of idiocy as Rodcorte maybe?
Well.. it’s just gunpowder.. it’s not like they’re researching Death magic like in Origin right??? Something that changed the whole world.
Oh wait, actually they are resesrching death magic too..lol
rainyday
bellwood was basically an anarcho primitivist extremist it’s an ideaology that exists irl. Basically “Nature good, therefor technology bad.”
ObserverBias
COUGH COUGH
Base humans are considerably weaker than rank 5 monsters.
Base humans are the primary concern of the god that excludes most sentient, reasonable races.
Technically speaking, mass deforestation isn’t a thing on Lambda (yet) because Devil’s Nests are a thing and conveniently grow things at an accelerated rate, on top of which, specific technological advancements (such as those that would normally harm basic environment, like the alleged train and motor vehicles) that would/may require such sacrifice are not a “thing.”
More at 11.
Bzn
Right?! Regardless of gunpowder(which isnt really that bad an invention in this world) humans are gonna polute, murder and innovate. The reason this world is so shitty despite its great potential is because its got a bunch of gods sucking each others cocks and killing all the innovater cause they happen to have a similar idea to something from earth. Its like killing everyone who comes up with the wheel, how else is civilization gonna progress if you dont take that step?
Brainlet
really the gods in aldas factions are only sucking aldas cock and being an echo chamber not each others cocks and vidas faction is being pretty reasonable but the premise is right
Chiu ChunLing
It’s hilarious that Alda was just wondering how it was that Zakkart had ‘somehow’ secretly driven Vida insane.
Wsteven7o7
Yeah i chuckle at that part how they get their mind clear by Van and they go insane on their own for being a God that is more stupid than a wasp.
Orokamono
Finally an update, yey!
Sunalana
O yeah